Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Okay, To summarise the discussion so far. Most respondents thought that highway=living_street was not the correct tag for shared use. Nobody explicitly supported this usage. Most seemed to think that there should be a specific tag for shared use to be used in addition to established tags such as

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Matt Ellery wrote: > I agree with the idea that living_street isn't appropriate for the > town centre roads identified here. I did notice that New Road > in Brighton (mentioned in the shared space Wikipedia article) > has also been changed to living_street by Pete Owens, although > he has

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Hi, "So I'd be OK with any of highway=* plus access tags; shared_space=yes; traffic_calming=shared_space; or maybe even go for duck tagging them as highway=shared_space?" I'm not sure highway=shared_space is any more duck tagging than highway=unclassified etc. To me the primary characteristic

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

I agree with the idea that living_street isn't appropriate for the town centre roads identified here. I did notice that New Road in Brighton (mentioned in the shared space Wikipedia article) has also been changed to living_street by Pete Owens, although he has added access tags as well. East

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

The photo of Exhibition Rd on Wikipedia makes it look deserted. I guess it is sensible to photograph a new road layout at a quiet time. I actually walked along it not so long ago when visiting a museum and it certainly seemed to still be used by quite a lot of motor traffic. Not that I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

One of the most significant shared space street schemes in the country (at least, the one that got the most publicity) is Exhibition Road. Here's part of it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34401602 and it's mapped as living street even though it is not residential.

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

And here's a road that wants to be a shared space but isn't there yet... https://www.facebook.com/NHnieuws/videos/1627424217288914/ The goal of reducing the traffic speed has been achieved, apparently. On 2017-10-01 20:16, Richard Mann wrote: > The classic shared space scheme in Haren: > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

The classic shared space scheme in Haren: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310 has no tags that I can see. I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a "special" type of traffic calming. On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Just like in the UK, the councils here make it up as they go along; a "shared space" has no special legal status, unlike a "woonerf". A general principle which has proved its worth is that to make things safer, you remove the safety features. Like white lines and kerbs. Everyone moans a bit, but

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Not an answer, but a suggestion where there might be a bit more info... The Netherlands forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12 might be worth a read, since the shared space concept was pioneered there; https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=54843 is directly about

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

My original solution when I changed the living streets back to normal roads a few months back was to just add extra tags to highlight the features of the scheme: access, traffic calming, surface, maxspeed:practical etc. I have just received a message from contributor 'lakedistrict' who raised the

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

One of the first edits I did in OSM was to change my local high street to a tertiary road from a living_street. I think I noticed it because it's rendered different by osm-carto and some routers wouldn't use the road for directions. It's a 20mph two lane road, except with three traffic

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

On 01/10/2017 14:47, Adam Snape wrote: If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? For "quiet lanes" (which are sort-of a rural analogue to urban "home zones") I went with "designation", and it looks like I'm not the only one:

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Hi Colin, I agree entirely (though note that the two share many of those features so I can see where the argument comes from). If a shared space is not a living street how should it be tagged? Adam On 1 October 2017 at 14:29, Colin Smale wrote: > It depends if you

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

It depends if you want to have a uniform basis for "living_street" across the world (well, Europe at least). The concept is well known and understood in continental Europe, and basically implies driving at walking pace, no separate pavements, no parking except in marked spaces, and all road users

Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

On 01/10/17 14:12, Adam Snape wrote: To move things forward I would like others' opinions about how we should map such shared space schemes Are we happy to broaden the definition of living_street to include them or are they better mapped as ordinary streets with additional tags? Another

[Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Hi, Over the past couple of years Fishergate, the high street in Preston, and some surrounding streets have been redeveloped and these highways are now designated as 'shared space' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space Following redeveleopment these were mapped as "highway=living_street".