I would like to apologize for my posting which seems to have offended
some people. I admit that it was strong, but the welcome box was
hugely intrusive on the small screen that I was using. I spend more time
than I can really afford contributing to OSM, and was annoyed that the
change was getting
Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ :)
(it's a bit unloved though... needs more people volunteering for CWG to
help)
Could that go into the community blogs for people who follow OSM bu web pages?
--
Andrew
On 2 December 2013 20:40, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
So, we have an announcements list, but there was no announcement there
about the recent change, which people are complaining was
inadequately, er, announced? I think they may have a case.
And here you are, complaining
Hi Tom
What would I have done differently? I wouldn't be composing emails
complaining! ;-). The close issue is really not the issue - I don't like it
but I can live with it. The main issue is I want to feel that I'm part of a
community- unannounced changes make me feel that I'm just another user
Hi Brian,
The website changes have been announced on the talk mailing list
before it went live:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-November/068555.html
(And yes, before it went live, many people suggested to remove the
Welcome box as well.)
-- Matthijs
On 2 December 2013
Not sure if its been changed recently, but using IE on my corporate desktop,
there is a close button.
Phil (trigpoint)
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On 02/12/2013 13:04 Brian Prangle wrote:
Hi Tom
What would I have done differently? I wouldn't be composing emails complaining!
;-). The close
Excellent, the close has been added. Thank you to whoever did that -
thanks for listening.
I also noticed on my rail journey yesterday that the GPS also tracks
location on the main map, which I think is a really nice touch.
David
On 02/12/2013 13:17, Philip Barnes wrote:
Not sure if its
Matthijs Melissen wrote:
The website changes have been announced on the talk mailing list
before it went live:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-November/068555.html
'Nearly ready to roll' is not 'will go live on'!
Had I had a little more notice I would have grabbed an html
Philip Barnes wrote:
Not sure if its been changed recently, but using IE on my corporate
desktop,
there is a close button.
Yes, I submitted a patch and Tom deployed it.
People complaining about lacking communication should IMO volunteer to join
the Communications Working Group (not you,
lsces wrote:
At least we can still access potlatch
in place of Id so the principle has already been adopted here.
That's because iD isn't a replacement for Potlatch, it's a new entry-level
editor to complement the existing intermediate-level one.
Richard
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Lester:
MOST other projects maintain the older style of site in parallel
with
such a
major overhaul.
Name one. I can probably name more that don't. Facebook for example
is always adding changes.
Unless you mean during the test phase, like we had the new site
running on the redesign url
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
not you, Lester, I don't think the blog
COULD withstand the RANDOM capitals EVERYWHERE
I make no apologies for the style of messaging. I've been doing it for over 15
years and I'm just happy with emphasis where it is shouting out in my head. It's
a bit like those
I make no apologies for the style of messaging. I've been doing it for over 15
years and I'm just happy with emphasis where it is shouting out in my head.
It's
a bit like those people who insist in top posting on lists were the written
rule
is not to :)
As an aside it doesn't help that many
Ed Loach wrote:
When I first edited with Potlatch 2 after the change it took me a
moment to spot that I had to click the work OpenStreetMap rather
than View to get back to the map view.
Just hit that one myself ... and it dropped straight to the map, but I'm sure
that I used to get a warning
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
I make no apologies for the style of messaging. I've been doing it for over 15
years and I'm just happy with emphasis where it is shouting out in my head.
It's
a bit like those people who insist in top posting on lists were the written
rule
is not to :)
As an aside
On 2 December 2013 13:09, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
The website changes have been announced on the talk mailing list
before it went live
Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to the
'talk' list)?
That way, people wanting important news, but not
On 2 December 2013 14:08, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote:
I think most of the changes are cosmetic and just need a bit
of getting used to.
I miss the slider for zooming in and out. Having to make multiple
clicks (on the - icon for zooming out) is an inconvenient kludge.
--
Andy Mabbett
Andy wrote:
I miss the slider for zooming in and out. Having to make multiple
clicks (on the - icon for zooming out) is an inconvenient
kludge.
Again, this isn't a new change. You do know about shift-click the +
or - to go three zoom levels a time?
Ed
Andy Mabbett wrote:
Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to
the 'talk' list)?
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ :)
(it's a bit unloved though... needs more people volunteering for CWG to
help)
I miss the slider for zooming in and out. Having to make
Thank you to whoever it was who listened to this thread and implemented a
close function. It's much appreciated
Regards
Brian
On 2 December 2013 15:19, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Andy Mabbett wrote:
Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to
the
On Monday 02 December 2013, Lester Caine wrote:
I'm just happy with emphasis where it is shouting out in my head
Why am I not surprised that Lester hears voices in his head when composing
emails?
robert.
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that directive by observed with the correct warning?
*From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 02 December 2013 15:26
*To:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Thank you to whoever it was who listened to this thread and implemented a close
Andy Robinson wrote:
But how do I get the box back now that I’ve closed it ;-)
Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner anyway (Learn
More == About and Start Mapping == Sign Up), it was always only
signposting these more prominently.
David
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, David Earl wrote:
Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner anyway (Learn More ==
About and Start Mapping == Sign Up), it was always only signposting these
more prominently.
To make that more obvious, wouldn't be better to use the same words on
the buttons
Where do I find community blogs now?
On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Andy Robinson wrote:
But how do I get the box back now that I’ve closed it ;-)
Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner anyway (Learn More
== About and Start Mapping
] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Where do I find community blogs now?
On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Andy Robinson wrote:
But how do I get the box back now that I've closed it ;-)
Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner
://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course
Cheers
Andy
*From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17
*To:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Where do I find community blogs now?
On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da
://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course
Cheers
Andy
*From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17
*To:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Where do I find community blogs now?
On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da
...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17
*To:* Talk GB
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
Where do I find community blogs now?
On 2 December 2013 16:06, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com mailto:
da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote:
Andy Robinson wrote
On 2 December 2013 15:19, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Andy Mabbett wrote:
Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to
the 'talk' list)?
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ :)
So, we have an announcements list, but there was no
Just went on the mobile website from my Nexus phone and it looks much
better than before, really can't see a problem with the mobile version of
the new osm. At the same time, you can never, ever, please everybody...
Also, I don't think it wise to talk about turning others away when not
many others
+1 for a close button. That box just screams at me to be closed - my brain
wants to see what's behind it! Not sure what communication went out about
this notifying the community of the date of implementation - I certainly
wasn't aware of anything. I saw lots of discussion about the design but
I think you've just summed up the real power of Open Data, specifically
Open Map Data. If you don't like how it is rendered then choose another
renderer or render the data yourself.
So cool! Everyone's happy. Try viewing Google's or Microsoft's data
some other way if you don't like their
But Brian, why aren't you logged in? It's not there then.
Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 01/12/2013 18:45, Brian Prangle wrote:
+1 for a close button. That box just screams at me to be closed - my
brain wants to see what's behind it! Not sure what communication went
out about this
At least they could have the grace to spell licence correctly.
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 for a close button. That box just screams at me to be closed - my
brain wants to see what's behind it! Not sure what communication went out
about this
Or at the very least choose one spelling and stick with it!
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 01/12/2013 18:51, Richard Mann wrote:
At least they could have the grace to spell licence correctly.
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com
mailto:bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
Brian,
(I tried my best to communicate this change - oh, and it was also at SOTM
2013 :-P )
I agree that these changes should be communicated better which is exactly
why I posted news of this change to both the talk and talk-gb mailing list
a few weeks ago. I was only aware of it's imminent
On 01/12/13 19:14, Brian Prangle wrote:
@Rob - I know you communicated this change and asked for feedback for
which I'm grateful- I'm just pissed off that there was no obvious
communication of the date of implementation - at best that's just
unprofessionally poor communication, at worst it's
On 1 December 2013 19:03, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
For most users, you just need to log-in and tick the always stay logged
in button and the welcome box will go. As an often requested feature I am
sure that someone will write the required code to add a close button (or my
Hi,
On 01.12.2013 21:00, Oliver Jowett wrote:
What's the workaround for users that do not wish to retain cookies?
GreaseMonkey could be an option.
Bye
Frederik
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On 1 December 2013 20:19, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 01.12.2013 21:00, Oliver Jowett wrote:
What's the workaround for users that do not wish to retain cookies?
GreaseMonkey could be an option.
The barrier to entry in setting that up is a bit high for me unfortunately
Hi,
On 01.12.2013 21:32, Oliver Jowett wrote:
The barrier to entry in setting that up is a bit high for me
unfortunately (unless you have a script already prepared?)
This'll do:
// ==UserScript==
// @name Remove OSM welcome box
// @include http://www.openstreetmap.org/*
//
On 1 December 2013 20:46, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 01.12.2013 21:32, Oliver Jowett wrote:
The barrier to entry in setting that up is a bit high for me
unfortunately (unless you have a script already prepared?)
This'll do:
Works like a charm! Thanks :)
Oliver
Yes David, I think you're right. Those are some very good points which
I think needs to be address by us.
I can almost see OSM splitting into two halves, one half concentrating
on the human facing side of OSM, such as map rendering, interfacing with
users and building user apps and features,
Jonathan wrote:
I can almost see OSM splitting into two halves, one half concentrating
on the human facing side of OSM, such as map rendering, interfacing
with users and building user apps and features, and the other half
concentrating on the data side, such as editing, data structure,
Well yes and that would fall under the data side, but are traces really
that important now? They have some uses but the bulk of sources now and
going forward are from other methods?
Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 18/11/2013 10:16, SomeoneElse wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
I can almost see
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.comwrote:
On the contrary, I use openstreetmap.org all the time. Whenever I
encounter a place I'm unfamiliar with, I look it up on openstreetmap.org.
I almost never look at renderings of OSM data through another web-site. In
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 21:42:02 +
Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 17 November 2013 21:14, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is the response to Here's a usability issue with the proposed
changes really use something else then?
Not at all. I am trying to help
On 17 November 2013 00:10, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
The point is that just using the map is not our target audience.
As has been said many times, we are not trying to be an end user mapping
site that offers a Google Maps alternative for the masses.
Our target audience is people
Oliver Jowett wrote:
The point is that just using the map is not our target audience.
As has been said many times, we are not trying to be an end user mapping
site that offers a Google Maps alternative for the masses.
Our target audience is people that want to signup and
To use the map I'd prefer not to have that signup box floating around all
the time (I am only logged in when I am about to edit).
Oliver
You could tick the stay logged in button, or alternatively if you want a
full screen map there are plenty of sites that provide alternate views of
OSM
On 17 November 2013 15:06, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
To use the map I'd prefer not to have that signup box floating around all
the time (I am only logged in when I am about to edit).
Oliver
You could tick the stay logged in button,
I don't retain cookies between
On 17 November 2013 21:14, Oliver Jowett oliver.jow...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the response to Here's a usability issue with the proposed changes
really use something else then?
Oliver
Not at all. I am trying to help you by communicating the fact that this
change is upcoming, and I am collating
I think the point Rob was making is that OpenStreetMap.org can't be all
things to all men and neither should it attempt to be. There are many
many instances of OSM map data rendered in ways that appeal to various
users, the OpenStreetMap.org page should show a generic map use with
information
Just read this after sending my reply to Oliver and I think you're
right, also think the http://openstreetmap.de/ or even
http://openstreetmap.us/ are right also.
If we are to render a version of OSM then it should just be seen as a
reference implementation of the DB and not some holy grail.
Jonathan wrote:
Personally speaking I don't feel it would be a terrible idea to ditch the
OpenStreetMap.org map and just have this page as the homepage:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Using_OpenStreetMap
I don't believe OSM is about rendering maps, isn't it about creating a
cartographic
On the contrary, I use openstreetmap.org all the time. Whenever I
encounter a place I'm unfamiliar with, I look it up on
openstreetmap.org. I almost never look at renderings of OSM data through
another web-site. In Facebook postings and emails, where I want to link
to a map it's invariably to
On 17 November 2013 21:42, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
p.s. This redesign is a proposal from John of the MapBox team. It will
ultimately be accepted or rejected by the OSM Foundation/working groups.
Anyone can propose changes, so if you have the coding skills to make this
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote:
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to
the
OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback)
I very much like the fact it is responsive on small screens.
Would it be possible to have a
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote:
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to
the
OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback)
One other thing... notes are really helpful, and not immediately new
though they were
I wondered when the SOTM-suggested redesign would surface :)
For me (regarding the redesigned version):
- The mobile website looks better (menus hidden in the typical menu
section), though the top title bar could be shrunk a little IMO.
- The regular website is better on my little netbook screen
+2
Regards
Nick
On 16/11/13 18:01, ael wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:36:40PM +, David Earl wrote:
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote:
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to
the
OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide
The Welcome box doesn't linger once you've logged in, so in a way having
it in the way may encourage some to join and login?
Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 16/11/2013 18:01, ael wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 01:36:40PM +, David Earl wrote:
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote:
Thanks for all the comments so far. I will communicate them back to the
github pull request [1] on your behalf.
In regards to the comment about wanting a [x] button on the welcome text,
it does disappear for logged in users and small screen devices. As for non
logged in users this request has
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 09:45:57PM +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
In regards to the comment about wanting a [x] button on the welcome text,
it does disappear for logged in users and small screen devices. As for non
logged in users this request has been raised already. I will mention that
it has
On 16/11/13 19:01, Neil Pilgrim wrote:
c) Another thing is that the Edit box requires log-in, so... is there
a reason that the 'log in' isn't the main route to editing, or should
it really be greyed out until the user is logged-in (with a
hover-tip)? I suppose this is about making people aware
On 16/11/13 23:19, ael wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 09:45:57PM +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
In regards to the comment about wanting a [x] button on the welcome text,
it does disappear for logged in users and small screen devices. As for non
logged in users this request has been raised
(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming
change to the
OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback)
(I posted this email to the talk mailing list last Tuesday. Since
then we had some
great feedback and changes have been made to the
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