Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Matthijs Melissen wrote: I therefore think inviting list members to vote in order to make the position of the community explicit - in addition to taking comments on the mailing list into account, not as a replacement of it - is the safest way to proceed. On reflection, it would be more

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-04 Thread Dan S
2014-11-04 15:20 GMT+00:00 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Matthijs Melissen wrote: I therefore think inviting list members to vote in order to make the position of the community explicit - in addition to taking comments on the mailing list into account, not as a replacement of it -

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 4 November 2014 15:20, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: On reflection, it would be more helpful, and less controversial, if you were to describe this process as a poll rather than a vote. That's a good suggestion, I think the word 'poll' better expresses what the intention is. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-03 Thread Andy Robinson
+1 -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 01 November 2014 13:56 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names Dan S wrote: Also, Matthijs sent out an RFC email proposing this whole process - he got

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 November 2014 16:01, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: So in summary: let all work on the documentation, discussions, but please work for consensus and recognise that allowing time to build that will result in an overall better dataset. I agree that seeking consensus is important, which is

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 November 2014 12:50, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Mechanical edits stand or fall by their own merits. They cannot be ok-ed by a vote. From the Automated Edits Code of Conduct: We do not require or recommend a formal vote, but if there is significant objection to your

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-02 Thread Lester Caine
On 02/11/14 14:06, Matthijs Melissen wrote: It is by the way not true that there is no precedent to use votes for mechanical edits - the retagging of musical instrument shops has been discussed in a similar way, see

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-02 Thread SK53
Hi Dan et al., I completely agree with both sides here: - Matthijs has worked really hard to consult the community and write-up what he plans to do. He has used the mechanisms which exist (wiki the mailing list). - Using voting on the wiki as a means to determine if something has

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Lester Caine
On 01/11/14 01:45, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On the whole the changes seem logical, but I'd rather they were applied manually than setting a precedent to allow changes that may not ACTUALLY apply as some small outlet is being a little economic with the name they are using ... I would guess

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Ed Loach
On 1 November 2014 01:06, Lester Caine mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Brantano (UK) Limited shops are all branded 'Brantano Footwear' that is their shop 'Logo' Matthijs: We currently have 116 times Brantano and 12 times Brantano Footwear in the UK. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Colin Smale
To paraphrase a well-known saying: Quality is in the eyes of the consumer. How long do you think we can survive with this policy of refusing to acknowledge that there is such a thing as good data and bad data? Interpretation of the definition of the name tag (and many others) is incredibly

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Steve Doerr
On 01/11/2014 09:15, Ed Loach wrote: On 1 November 2014 01:06, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Brantano (UK) Limited shops are all branded 'Brantano Footwear' that is their shop 'Logo' The logo is the symbol at the top, the shop name is Brantano

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread John Aldridge
On 31/10/2014 22:51, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Dear all, Voting is now open for the proposal to unify the names of chain shops within the UK by renaming them. I'm genuinely not sure about this proposal. Philosophically, I think OSM is a *mapping* project (duh!), and so the correct name is

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Will Phillips
On 01/11/2014 09:15, Ed Loach wrote: The logo is the symbol at the top, the shop name is Brantano Footwear, the operator is Brantano (UK) Limited. This is (was) the shop sign at the one I mapped (as Brantano Footwear, as that is the name on the sign):

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dan S wrote: Also, Matthijs sent out an RFC email proposing this whole process - he got lots of feedback (which he has taken into consideration), but no-one objected to the voting mechanism. It's not your fault if you only just noticed this happening, of course Indeed, which I only just

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Lester Caine
On 01/11/14 13:36, Dan S wrote: Also, Matthijs sent out an RFC email proposing this whole process - he got lots of feedback (which he has taken into consideration), but no-one objected to the voting mechanism. It's not your fault if you only just noticed this happening, of course, but it's a

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Dan S
Chris, I appreciate what you're saying - except for one point: 2014-11-01 15:35 GMT+00:00 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: [...] to what is on the ground, I'll revert it and ask for Matthijs to be blocked from editing, as I would any other vandal. Please can we all stop using the word vandal to

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/11/14 15:39, Dan S wrote: Chris, I appreciate what you're saying - except for one point: 2014-11-01 15:35 GMT+00:00 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: [...] to what is on the ground, I'll revert it and ask for Matthijs to be blocked from editing, as I would any other vandal. Please can we

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-11-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 November 2014 10:50, Will Phillips wp4...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a survey photo of mine, which is similar to the ones Ed posted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97133921@N03/15494864347/ We should be using the name displayed on the sign, which in the examples above is clearly 'Brantano

[Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-10-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Voting is now open for the proposal to unify the names of chain shops within the UK by renaming them. Please cast your vote at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Math1985/UK_Shop_Names. More information can be found on this page as well. Kind regards, Matthijs

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-10-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/31/2014 11:51 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Voting is now open for the proposal to unify the names of chain shops within the UK by renaming them. I have the following problem with this: I do understand the rationale and it is indeed true that it is nicer to have a unified landscape

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-10-31 Thread Lester Caine
On 31/10/14 22:51, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Voting is now open for the proposal to unify the names of chain shops within the UK by renaming them. Please cast your vote at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Math1985/UK_Shop_Names. More information can be found on this page

Re: [Talk-GB] Voting mechanical edit: UK shop names

2014-10-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 November 2014 01:06, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Brantano (UK) Limited shops are all branded 'Brantano Footwear' that is their shop 'Logo' We currently have 116 times Brantano and 12 times Brantano Footwear in the UK. I would argue, apparently like most mappers, the the