On 30/04/15 22:49, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
tag - disposal_point
Values
pump_out:grey (No sewage)
pump_out:black(Contains Sewage)
pump_out:bilge(May
You can see the issue of how to tag this has come up several times:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Dump_Station#See_Also
With no consensus tagging diverged many ways.
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
tag - disposal_point
Values
pump_out:grey (No sewage)
pump_out:black(Contains Sewage)
pump_out:bilge(May contain oil)
pump_out:restricted (note advise restrictions)
dump:black(may
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dump
Has a lot lower usage than disposal, but *I* don't like the use of
'sanitary' ... that is more of a problem than the dump/disposal question!
The tagging numbers are skewed
To summarize:
Nobody likes to talk about waste, so euphemisms abound.
Past tagging has been all over the map, and the same tags were used in
Europe for dog_waste bins as well as motorhome dump points.
On 23/04/15 21:53, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
So how do we get to the point where these facilities can be rendered, so
a campground map looks proper when brought up on a smartphone?
Well the starting point there is a proper database of information which
can be accessed via the phone. It would have a
On 23/04/15 17:53, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Some 15 odd uses of the term *elsan_point* are present: and none outside
of the UK.
chemical toilet waste disposal unit is the more normal UK usage, along
with grey and black waste water disposal, be that marine or land. Dump
stations would seem to be
On 22/04/15 23:17, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Note a number of people don't like the word disposal,
and persist in tagging toilets:type instead, with the same data.
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=dump
Has a lot lower usage than disposal, but *I* don't like the use of
'sanitary' ... that is
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:
Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
What can we assume the UK tag waterway=elsan_point means? One or more
of:
1) Walk up toilet
2) Cassette dump for boats
3) Cassette dump for motorhomes
4) Pump out
Very firmly
Is there any intrinsic difference between one for boats and one for
motorhomes? If they are actually pretty much the same thing, maybe the
difference would better be expressed by access=customers or purely
geometric/geographic properties.
On 2015-04-22 20:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Wed,
On 22/04/15 19:07, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Others objected to the use of a trade name.
Thus *sanitary_dump_station* as an attempt at a generic term with a good
chance of understanding when translated into multiple languages, and a
good match to the customary terms used locally. The scheme's wiki
I too have problems with the name of this proposed tag, as follows:
1) It's not recognisably British English. This has been the default for tag
names since the inception of the project, mainly to avoid natural
complications when en-us and en-gb differ. As a native Brit I wouldn't have
a clue what
Here are some totally typical prior taggings of this feature (in land
vehicle form):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3075600244
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/369645049
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Is there any intrinsic difference between one for boats and one for
motorhomes? If they are actually pretty much the same thing, maybe the
difference would better be expressed by *access=customers* or purely
On 22/04/15 20:38, SK53 wrote:
Despite objections to a trade name, the current tag does reflect what
these are called by waterway users in the UK. Elsan has long entered
standard english as a synonym for chemical toilet. Personally I would
have tried to choose something a little more generic
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Malcolm Herring
malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 21/04/2015 18:08, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Are what's presently tagged elsan_point /both/ walk up toilets
/and/ CDP chemical holding tank emptying points?
And do they welcome waste originating from
On 21/04/2015 18:08, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Are what's presently tagged elsan_point /both/ walk up toilets
/and/ CDP chemical holding tank emptying points?
And do they welcome waste originating from Elsan-based motorhomes as
well as canal boats?
This is going to vary from point to point.
On 22/04/2015 08:04, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
What can we assume the UK tag waterway=elsan_point means? One or more of:
1) Walk up toilet
2) Cassette dump for boats
3) Cassette dump for motorhomes
4) Pump out
The only safe assumption is (2)
Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
What can we assume the UK tag waterway=elsan_point means? One or more
of:
1) Walk up toilet
2) Cassette dump for boats
3) Cassette dump for motorhomes
4) Pump out
Very firmly and unambiguously 2.
I propose making the assumption the present elsan_point tag means*
User richardwest and a few others added a few Elsan Points along Canals in
the UK:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2591597652/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2755755468/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2891630633/
I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current tagging
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current
tagging can cover the use case.
Most canal-side/marina-side are accessed-protected using a 'BWB' key;
but not all (Atherstone top lock comes to mind). Some points have
not suitable for
On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging.
Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likewise
Portapotti). So your cassette tagging covers these use cases.
___
Talk-GB mailing list
On 21/04/2015 10:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
In the UK is the Elsan trade name used for both the mobile toilet and
the fixed spot to empty it?
It appears the intent of the elsan_point tag in the UK was the later (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tELRMqFZKM ).
Yes. This dates from the days when
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Malcolm Herring
malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging.
Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likewise Portapotti).
So your cassette tagging covers
Malcome Herring wrote:
Waterside facilities provided by CRT (previously known as British
Waterways Board - BWB) are accessed by use of a key issued to all waterway
license holders. Chemical toilet emptying points are usually within these
facilities. Pump-out stations, on the other hand, are
25 matches
Mail list logo
