Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Ed Loach wrote: > That's what I always thought and this page reinforces that. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations_are_not_categories > > But (and I don't speak German) what about the relations listed on > this page with type=set? > http://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Perhaps in some future version OSM will support a new object type, 'table of random whatever'. Then rows could be added for each species of tree, and individual trees could refer to a row of the table. This gets more into the realm of tagging all possible facts about the world, rather than just m

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Richard wrote: > Relations are not categories. The members of a relation need to be > in > some geospatial relationship to each other, and these are not! That's what I always thought and this page reinforces that. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations_are_not_categories But (and I don't s

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Relations are not categories. The members of a relation need to be in some geospatial relationship to each other, and these are not! Richard On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 03/03/2011 17:16, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: > >> I must completely agree with Tom on this.

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 03/03/2011 17:16, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: I must completely agree with Tom on this. (When has OSM cared about 3NF?). This may be completely off the wall, but what about creating a relation for each species and adding the individual trees to the appropriate relation? The name tag

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 03/03/2011 16:30, Tom Chance wrote: That's elegant from a logical and maintenance point of view, but adds hurdles for the data user. For example, it would mean you couldn't just download OSM data and stick it into OpenLayers for the public like so: http://tomchance.dev.openstreetmap.org/

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On 3 March 2011 16:34, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: > I find this an exciting development: a place where I can point to and put > pressure on other councils to make their tree databases available. My > particular interests lie with good specimen trees and relatively unusual > ones which are h

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Jerry Clough <: SK53 on OSM ;> writes: >There are three (perhaps more) schemes : name:botanical=*, species=* and >taxon=* You are right that name:botanical is a bit odd. It might be better as species:name:botanical or perhaps taxon:name:botanical That also allows for species:name:en

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 03/03/2011 03:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Well done to all those who finished off the road network in Southwark. I was drawn into OSM when searching for a mapping solution in the far south of Southwark, and it's brilliant to see how things have come along. Tom, I've noticed you've added a l

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 16:15, Ed Avis wrote: > It's good for OSM users to have this information but if it's derived > from a simple lookup of species name then it's not ideal to duplicate > it on every object. For example suppose there was a mistake in your > list mapping species to common name. If th

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Tom Chance writes: >>>Tom, I've noticed you've added a large number of trees with species >>>details supplied by Southwark Council. >Ideally, only the scientific name would need to be tagged in OSM, >with natural language versions added automatically when rendering. >No, I want to put the speci

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Southwark's map is here It is humbling to look at the Master Map-derived tiles and realize just how far we have to go. Tracing just a square kilometre from Bing is an hour or two's work, and then adding building names and house numbers

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On 3 March 2011 15:02, Ed Avis wrote: > Tom Chance writes: > > >>Tom, I've noticed you've added a large number of trees with species > details > >>supplied by Southwark Council. > > >I've also tried to crowdsource the common names for all of the species in > the > >data set and add those in, alo

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 14:58, Ed Avis wrote: > Tom Chance writes: > > >[Southwark council using OSM] > > >Alas, they were considering this for some time but really wanted a dataset > with > >building outlines and I've been too slow in my mass-tracing efforts. In > the end > >they went for a third party

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 15:19, Steve Doerr wrote: > Row 78 says 'Cedrus SPP': this means /Cedrus/ spp., i.e. /Cedrus/ species > (plural), i.e. multiple species of the /Cedrus/ genus (cedar). Stands for the Latin "SPecies Pluralis" -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 03/03/2011 14:27, Tom Chance wrote In order to be useful for non-experts, I've also tried to crowdsource the common names for all of the species in the data set and add those in, along with any fruit/nuts they produce for people like me who are interested in foraging. The work-in-progress i

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Tom Chance writes: >>Tom, I've noticed you've added a large number of trees with species details >>supplied by Southwark Council. >I've also tried to crowdsource the common names for all of the species in the >data set and add those in, along with any fruit/nuts they produce for people >like me

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Tom Chance writes: >[Southwark council using OSM] >Alas, they were considering this for some time but really wanted a dataset with >building outlines and I've been too slow in my mass-tracing efforts. In the end >they went for a third party product based on OS Mastermap. Out of interest do you

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 03:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: > Tom, I've noticed you've added a large number of trees with species details > supplied by Southwark Council. Some of the trees appear a bit random > eg http://osm.org/go/euuuYWULe-- > Whats the story behind this? I wondering if they're from Southwa

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matt Williams wrote: > Almost on-topic and because I found it interesting is this [1] article > on the use of colour in reporting scientific and technical results. In > my line of work I see so many people making the same mistakes > mentioned in the article so I'm t

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 11:11, Peter Miller wrote: > On 3 March 2011 09:51, Richard Mann > wrote: >> blue-red is the standard for cold-hot display, though it's being >> displaced by red/amber/green in most management reporting. >> >> I might add green for those who've got to the blissful state of 100% >

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Ed Avis writes: > > My measure of completeness is that all the noname streets are gone. (That does > depend on someone having traced everything from aerial imagery or OS Street View > so that they can then be visited on the ground.) On that measure there are > still a few council estates and

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Jerry Clough <: SK53 on OSM ;> writes: >Incidentally, 0% discrepancy between OSM and OS Locator is >inadequate as an indication of streetname completion My measure of completeness is that all the noname streets are gone. (That does depend on someone having traced everything from aerial imagery o

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 10:14, Jerry Clough : SK53 on OSM wrote: > On 03/03/2011 09:51, Richard Mann wrote: > > I think you might also consider a path density map or a > shop/pub:street density map. That's the sort of stuff where OSM can > really do much better than OS / Google. > > Richard > > > > This

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 03/03/2011 09:51, Richard Mann wrote: I think you might also consider a path density map or a shop/pub:street density map. That's the sort of stuff where OSM can really do much better than OS / Google. Richard This was exactly what I was trying to do with my various pub density maps

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

On 3 March 2011 09:51, Richard Mann wrote: > blue-red is the standard for cold-hot display, though it's being > displaced by red/amber/green in most management reporting. > > I might add green for those who've got to the blissful state of 100% > > We must not forget those 10% of men who are red/gr

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blue-red is the standard for cold-hot display, though it's being displaced by red/amber/green in most management reporting. I might add green for those who've got to the blissful state of 100% I hope you update the algorithm to recognize all highway tags soon. Oxford's never going to get above 99

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Great to see all the progress in London. We should also note that person (or persons unknown) have been beavering away in Scotland which is now 50%+ in all areas and the Edinburgh-Glasgow corridor is 95%+ complete almost from coast to coast. I (and a few other people) have been plugging away head

Re: [Talk-GB] Southwark update

Well done to all those who finished off the road network in Southwark. I was drawn into OSM when searching for a mapping solution in the far south of Southwark, and it's brilliant to see how things have come along. Tom, I've noticed you've added a large number of trees with species details supplie