Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Loach
Andy wrote: I've just checked a few well-mapped areas - Tendring, Hull and Edinburgh - and the not:name is running at 2%, 3.1% and 1.9% of all the roads. I'm just catching up as I was out all of yesterday (always seems to be loads of emails when I'm not keeping current) so this may have been

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Bob Kerr
Hi, I would back the use of such a bot but in area's that could do with the help and there are only a few of these now. There are a couple of small towns in Aberdeenshire that could do with a little boost. Just be careful. The rest will follow with a little patience I think it is a skill that

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Kevin Peat
I agree with you 100% on this. I think if OSM is street-level complete (preferably with postcodes as well) then it will be picked up by a lot more developers for their iPhone and Android apps and the amount of feedback we could get would be a 100 times greater than now. A standardised, OSM hosted,

[Talk-GB] OS bot proposal

2011-02-04 Thread Peter Miller
I have created an initial wiki page for a proposed 'OS bot' [1]. I have tried to present all the views and ideas expressed on this list in the past day in the article - if you don't think I have got it right then please update the article. I have indicated that it won't be welcome everywhere but

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread andy.deakin
I would agree with this too; A fuller map will greatly increase usage and visibility. However I don't think that a bot is necessarily the way to go. What would be useful is a simple way for users to specify a bounding box/polygon and download an OSM file with the OS data (or OS updates to OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Peter Miller
On 4 February 2011 10:58, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi, I would back the use of such a bot but in area's that could do with the help and there are only a few of these now. There are a couple of small towns in Aberdeenshire that could do with a little boost. Just be

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Miller peter.miller@... writes: I am aware that we still have many place names missing (available as open data in the NatGaz file released by Traveline/DfT). Place name nodes are a useful thing to have for address searches and should not raise any objections about messing up existing data,

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: This is the one thing that perturbs me too about using the OS data. Back in the days when we only had Yahoo, I would not tag the name on a way until I had walked all the way down it checking for footpaths. If I'd only explored part of the way, I would tag the name on

Re: [Talk-GB] OS bot proposal

2011-02-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: To be clear, I have no idea who might write this bot or when So I propose we call it Bot Nukem Forever. :) Why isn't the UK complete yet? Amazingly, in a worldwide community of 350,000 registered users (with thousands in the UK), we have: - just three people working

Re: [Talk-GB] OS bot proposal

2011-02-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02/04/11 13:32, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Why isn't the UK complete yet? Amazingly, in a worldwide community of 350,000 registered users (with thousands in the UK), we have: ... a two-digit number of helpful individuals on this list telling you what ought to be done! Bye Frederik

Re: [Talk-GB] OS bot proposal

2011-02-04 Thread Brian Prangle
I couldn't agree more with Richard that there is no co-ordinated effort to build a true community of occasional mappers, encouraging those who are not and do not want to be hard-core map geeks, or to publicise what we are doing to attract more developers and mappers and co-operation from data

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen Gower
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:18:19AM +, Peter Miller wrote: I use the following method. If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put it in not:name If it is apparently a valid alternative I put it on alt_name I am not clear why anything else is required. What

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread James Davis
On 4 Feb 2011, at 12:55, Stephen Gower wrote: What do you do when a road has completely gone? Mascall Avenue in Oxford has completely gone. There's a new housing estate, with a road network that doesn't match what was there before, so there's no way to mark with old_name or not:name or

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Peter Miller
On 4 February 2011 12:55, Stephen Gower socks-openstreetmap@earth.liwrote: On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:18:19AM +, Peter Miller wrote: I use the following method. If the OS name is different from the streetsign and general usage I put it in not:name If it is apparently a valid

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst richard@... writes: If we import OS OpenData into OSM, then OSM becomes national *but* is no longer rich. I can't agree with that at all. A blank area is not any more 'rich' than one with basic details complete. We do not improve the map by leaving blank bits. There are

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Brief expansion of previous point: Ed Avis wrote: So I did hesitate about adding name=Newton Road to a street which I had not visited. But then I considered the folk living on that street typing its name into Nominatim and getting no results. Let's see what Wikipedia does (and when you

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Kevin Peat
Richard, I don't think we need a bot for this as the current tools seem quite adequate to me. If the missing streets are added this year then that would be great. Building a community is ideal but I think outside the successful parts of the country we are not going to get a lot of people wanting

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Miller peter.miller@... writes: What do you do when a road has completely gone?  Mascall Avenue in Oxford has completely gone. There's a new housing estate, with a road network that doesn't match what was there before, so there's no way to mark with old_name or not:name or anything. I

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding a further 250, ?000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?

2011-02-04 Thread Stephen Gower
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 01:25:31PM +, Ed Avis wrote: I would suggest that whoever removed Mascall Avenue from the map should have mapped what replaced it - a brownfield site or whatever - to avoid future confusion. For what it's worth, we did - there's now a landuse=residential;

[Talk-GB] Girl of four died in turn-restriction error

2011-02-04 Thread Ed Avis
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12360687 The lack of good turn-restriction information can be lethal. (Of course, this news story proves that people should keep looking at the road signs even when using sat-nav. It also proves that sometimes they do not.) Perhaps we need an explicit

Re: [Talk-GB] Girl of four died in turn-restriction error

2011-02-04 Thread SomeoneElse
On 04/02/2011 13:48, Ed Avis wrote: I have sometimes wondered whether harvesting GPS traces would help with this task. If every trace shows turning left at the junction, flag a warning for somebody to check whether a turn restriction needs to be added. But to do that we would need a bigger

[Talk-GB] Potlatch 2 tutorial videos. (Was: Re: Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?)

2011-02-04 Thread davespod
Richard Fairhurst wrote: (I've asked MapQuest to work on tutorial videos because, guess what, none of you lot have had the imagination to think if I were a new user, what would help me most?.) Funny you should mention that. In the spirit of the do-ocracy I got started on what I envisage

Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2 tutorial videos. (Was: Re: Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?)

2011-02-04 Thread Tom Chance
On 4 February 2011 15:43, davespod osmli...@dellams.fastmail.fm wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: (I've asked MapQuest to work on tutorial videos because, guess what, none of you lot have had the imagination to think if I were a new user, what would help me most?.) Funny you should mention

Re: [Talk-GB] Potlatch 2 tutorial videos. (Was: Re: Adding a further 250, 000 UK roads quickly using a Bot?)

2011-02-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
davespod wrote: I’ve created a first attempt at a short tutorial video for adding POIs using Potlatch 2. That is absolutely _brilliant_! My faith in human nature is restored. :) Do you have a file you could e-mail me? If so I'll embed it into P2 this weekend. Now off to look at Tom's

Re: [Talk-GB] OS bot proposal

2011-02-04 Thread Gregory
On 4 February 2011 12:52, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this is why we need a UK chapter? There has been past interest in having a UK chapter, but no interest so far in setting one up or meeting up to specifically talk about the possibility of one. -- Gregory