Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
> On 6 Aug 2018, at 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I > haven't investigated further.) > To confirm East of England Co-op do have their own brand pharmacies. https://www.eastofengland.coop/pharmacy Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On 6 August 2018 at 09:39, Philip Withnall wrote: > Thanks for the updates! A quick question about pharmacy matching: are > we supposed to add the GPhC registration number of the pharmacy to its > node/way in OSM, similarly to how we do FHRS IDs? There seems to be no > guidance for/against this on your page for pharmacies. There's no licence to be able to use the GPhC register as used in https://osm.mathmos.net/pharmacy/ directly in OSM. IIRC, I asked about it a while ago and the response from GPhC was that individual pharmacies owned the address data they submitted, so they weren't in a position to licence it themselves. You might take the view that the numbers themselves aren't copyrightable, though there would still be database rights in the list as a whole, and there would be the question of how you match them to OSM objects without using the other address data. I thought this was a bit of a grey area, so I haven't been suggesting people add the numbers, and the tool doesn't make use of them for the matching. The tool does use postcodes for matching, as these may be obtainable from other sources. I've found a lot have FHRS registrations for example -- see https://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/ . Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On 6 August 2018 at 12:04, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: >> First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at >> https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped >> "Co-Op Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded >> to become "Well Pharmacy" branches now. > > Not necessarily! > > As you say, "The Co-operative Group sold their pharmacy business to the > Bestway Group in October 2014". > > However, as you no doubt know, the perpetually crisis-stricken (Manchester) > Co-operative Group is one of several retail co-ops in the UK to use the > Co-operative name. Other co-ops continue to operate stores branded > Co-operative Pharmacy. I live almost opposite one such, operated by the > Midcounties Co-operative, and can testify it's still called that! > > See https://www.cooppharmacy.coop/ . > > (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I > haven't investigated further.) I was aware of the different regional co-op organisations, but hadn't realised some of them had their own pharmacy branches too, so thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if there is some way of distinguishing them in the tagging so that tools can ignore the ones that haven't been sold. Perhaps an operator=* tag would help, if we knew which Co-Op groups still had pharmacies... Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.
The background here is that the UK, AUS and NZ (these are the ones I'm aware of, of the former UK colonies India and the US have moved away from this but used to have similar issues) have very strong "sweat of the brow" doctrines that essentially lead to there being no creativity and originality requirements for obtaining copyright protection. This is independent of sui generis database rights that are an additional angle in the UK (at least as it maintains compatibility with EU IP regulation). Simon Am 06.08.2018 um 00:04 schrieb Warin: > On 06/08/18 06:10, Martin Wynne wrote: >>> Copyright doesn't work like that. >> >> But you can't copyright names, addresses and similar material. >> >> Road names and numbers would surely fall within that. >> >> I'm not suggesting copying the document and posting it verbatim. > > There was a long and costly court case in Australia where a firm had > used the information in phone books to make their own data base. > > Facts cannot be copyrighted in Australian Law. but any skill etc can > be copyrighted. > The case was fought. > The legal niceties are above me, but the phone book people won ... so > even though the facts in the phone book are not copyright, practically > you cannot copy them into your own data base. > Ridiculous but true. > I'd think similar legal arguments could be made in a British court. > > Be carefull. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.
On 06/08/18 08:37, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: On 5 August 2018 at 19:50, David Woolley wrote: The only place for which I am aware of national legislation making certain government publications automatically free to use is the USA. Thanks to the EU, we do however have the "Re-Use of Public Sector Information Regulations 2015" http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1415/contents/made . You have to ask for permission, but if the copyright is owned by a UK public body, they need a very good reason not to allow re-use under an open licence, and the options for charging are very limited for most bodies. That I think is the one that restricting access to both the NSG and NLPG falls fowl off, especially when councils are required by law to provide it but not paid to do so. Once we can freely use at least the National Street Gazetteer many of the 'problems' go away and we just need to add the USRN reference to each way in the UK -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - https://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - https://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at > https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped > "Co-Op Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded > to become "Well Pharmacy" branches now. Not necessarily! As you say, "The Co-operative Group sold their pharmacy business to the Bestway Group in October 2014". However, as you no doubt know, the perpetually crisis-stricken (Manchester) Co-operative Group is one of several retail co-ops in the UK to use the Co-operative name. Other co-ops continue to operate stores branded Co-operative Pharmacy. I live almost opposite one such, operated by the Midcounties Co-operative, and can testify it's still called that! See https://www.cooppharmacy.coop/ . (It looks like the East of England Co-op also operates a few pharmacies. I haven't investigated further.) cheers Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
On Mon, 2018-08-06 at 08:01 +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: > A couple of updates to my tools that you might be interested in: > > First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at > https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped "Co-Op > Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded to become "Well > Pharmacy" branches now. Thanks to Tallguy for the suggestion here. > > Secondly, I'm now using HTTPS on my server, so I can enable the > previously requested auto-location feature on the "Survey Me!" tool > at > https://osm.mathmos.net/survey/ . Click/tap one if the links just > below the map, agree to share your location with the site, and the > map > should zoom to your current position. > > I hope these features are useful, Thanks for the updates! A quick question about pharmacy matching: are we supposed to add the GPhC registration number of the pharmacy to its node/way in OSM, similarly to how we do FHRS IDs? There seems to be no guidance for/against this on your page for pharmacies. Thanks, Philip signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] 'D' class roads references.
On 5 August 2018 at 19:50, David Woolley wrote: > The only place for which I am aware of national legislation making certain > government publications automatically free to use is the USA. Thanks to the EU, we do however have the "Re-Use of Public Sector Information Regulations 2015" http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/1415/contents/made . You have to ask for permission, but if the copyright is owned by a UK public body, they need a very good reason not to allow re-use under an open licence, and the options for charging are very limited for most bodies. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] New Ghosts Set and Survey Me Auto-Location Feature
A couple of updates to my tools that you might be interested in: First there's a new set of objects in my "Ghosts" tool at https://osm.mathmos.net/ghosts/. There are 162 still-mapped "Co-Op Pharmacy" branches, which should have been rebranded to become "Well Pharmacy" branches now. Thanks to Tallguy for the suggestion here. Secondly, I'm now using HTTPS on my server, so I can enable the previously requested auto-location feature on the "Survey Me!" tool at https://osm.mathmos.net/survey/ . Click/tap one if the links just below the map, agree to share your location with the site, and the map should zoom to your current position. I hope these features are useful, Robert. PS: You might have noticed that I've just moved all my tools from http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/ to https://osm.mathmos.net/ . I think I've caught most of the issues this created and put redirects in place for everything, but if you spot anything that looks broken, please let me know. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
