Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Robinson]

You can see from my attempt 11 years ago that I didn't have a clue either!

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/484792823

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2009/11/pelsall-pleasure.html

Cheers
Andy

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Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
can find no JSOM preset.

What do folk suggest?

I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
with their comaps points, something like:

   inscription:NW=foo

or, using degrees:

   inscription:315:=foo

-- 
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@pigsonthewing
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[Talk-GB] POI files of Pub/Restaurant chain

[Rob Nickerson]

Harvester is one of many brands owned by M: https://www.mbplc.com/

Try writing to the parent group as you might get permission for all of
their brands.

Best regards
Rob

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Townsend]

On 16/07/2020 17:20, Alan Mackie wrote:

Maybe:
tourism=information
information=guidepost
?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via 
destination_sign relations.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett, > wrote:


I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

I had a look at this a while back because I was figuring out how to best 
render stuff in the "information" space. "tourism=information; 
information=guidepost" does seem to what people use for those, at least 
in the UK.


The tricky bit is that in England and Wales at least what might be 
described as a "fingerpost" might cover a whole range of things - it 
might be (1) a bit of wood with "public footpath" written on it, or (2) 
it might say "to St Gregory's Minster" or somesuch.  It might be (3) a 
route marker for a long or short distance path, or it might be a 
combination of some or all of these.  Even "simple public footpath 
markers" vary hugely around the place (even just around what might be 
called the West Mids) in terms of what form they take, how frequent they 
are and what other information they carry.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Guidepost and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost describe 
what I might call "European" guideposts, which Andy's example might be 
similar to from the description, but it's not much use with what I 
suspect Phil was thinking about when he said "we tend to just use them 
to confirm the legal status of a right of way".


The tag combinations in use seem to be a bit of a mish-mash (see 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/information=guidepost#combinations 
; unfortunately it looks like there aren't enough to get stats at 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.UK/tags/information=guidepost#combinations 
).  Where someone local to me added lots of "basic public footpath 
signs" as "tourism=information; information=guidepost"I added a 
"guidepost_type" tag to the ones that I knew weren't "just" public 
footpath markers (see 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/guidepost_type#values ).  I 
picked "guidepost_type"because I couldn't see another option available 
and in use in England and Wales that could make that distinction - I'd 
be happy to change that tag to something else if someone comes up with a 
better option.


The idea is to make sure that there's enough information stored for a 
renderer to be able to do different things based on whether an 
"information=guidepost" (or an "information=route_marker") is one of 
(1), (2) or (3) above or a combination, and to do different things with 
it on that basis.


As an aside, I've been adding examples of (3) to the relevant relation 
(see e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1996318 ) so that, come 
the glorious day when I manage to set up a version of osm2pgsql that 
supports doing something useful with that information you'll be able to 
see not just that there's a guidepost here but that it's actually a 
marker for XYZ long distance trail.  See 
https://pavie.info/2020/03/09/openstreetmap-data-processing-osm2pgsql-flex/ 
for a bit of info about that.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 17:20, Alan Mackie  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

>> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
>> previously.

> Maybe:
> tourism=information
> information=guidepost

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

Thank you. That seems to be it, though the page doesn't include the
strings "fingerposts" or "finger posts". I've added it, and made some
redirects.

> I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via 
> destination_sign relations

I'll ask on the tagging list. Wish me luck ;-)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Philip Barnes]

I must admit that I have never thought of mapping one, we tend to just
use them to confirm the legal status of a right of way in much the same
as we map speedlimits, not the signs.

Probably map them as man_made:signpost or something similar.

They are a very common everyday object so would not fall into the
tourism category.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 16:59 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
> previously.
> 
> To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
> can find no JSOM preset.
> 
> What do folk suggest?
> 
> I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
> with their comaps points, something like:
> 
>inscription:NW=foo
> 
> or, using degrees:
> 
>inscription:315:=foo
> 


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Alan Mackie]

Maybe:
tourism=information
information=guidepost
?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via
destination_sign relations.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
> previously.
>
> To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
> can find no JSOM preset.
>
> What do folk suggest?
>
> I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
> with their comaps points, something like:
>
>inscription:NW=foo
>
> or, using degrees:
>
>inscription:315:=foo
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Mabbett]

I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
can find no JSOM preset.

What do folk suggest?

I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
with their comaps points, something like:

   inscription:NW=foo

or, using degrees:

   inscription:315:=foo

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

[Nick]

Just wondering how this links to 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage - I was planning to use 
the tags detailed there together with the combinations.


On 16/07/2020 14:10, Tony OSM wrote:


Yes, maintenance when things change is an issue.

I've looked at taginfo listed_status and found several variations  for 
Scheduled Monument, Grade(value)


I plan to do several things if there are no objections

1. update wiki listed_status to show the capitalised values Scheduled 
Monument, Protected Wreck Site,
Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site, Certificate of 
Immunity, Building Preservation Notice


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

2. find those variations in the map in England and where I am sure 
amend the values of listed_status. I see this as a data cleansing 
exercise - there are about 20 elements.


Tony

On 16/07/2020 13:42, Nick wrote:


listed_status:website - URL seems to have changed from 
http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1409803 to 
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1409803


On 16/07/2020 10:51, SK53 wrote:
It looks that for listed gardens we've used a combination of 
listed_status & listed_status_register (so each type belongs in a 
separate register): see Bagthorpe Gardens 
.


Mapping listed sties was a particular interest when Will & Richard 
Phillips created Evesham Mapped 
, 
so buildings and gardens are covered at least.


Jerry

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Brian Prangle > wrote:


I use listed_status =Scheduled Monument

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, 10:19 Tony OSM, mailto:tonyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found
Scheduled Monuments. They are described in the Historic
England list as Heritage Category: Scheduled Monument and
has a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building ,
Grade: (I, II*, II) and a list entry number.

I can find tagging guidelines for a listed building but not
for Scheduled Monument or for any of the other Heritage
Categories (Protected Wreck Site,
Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site,
Certificate of Immunity, Building Preservation Notice)

Can someone point me to the correct place for English
guidelines?

I have looked at:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

For a building or similar I presently use

HE_ref=1072653
heritage=2
heritage:operator= Historic England
historic= heritage
listed_status=Grade II
name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park
barrier=gate
start_date= mid C19

website=https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1072653

Could listed_status be expanded to hold the above definitions?


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Re: [Talk-GB] POI files of Pub/Restaurant chain

[Andy Townsend]

On 16/07/2020 14:03, David Woolley wrote:

On 15/07/2020 14:00, o...@poppe.dev wrote:
As this data is pretty much openly accessible, I think there'd be no 
major issue with asking them if this data could be used to check all 
the places against OSM data and, if needed correct and/or create 
them, right?


I often find that business locations are way off target.  I think head 
offices often just plug the postcode into Google Maps, rather than 
asking someone to read them on their GPS capable mobile, or match them 
to actual features on the local map.


A quick check of one I know the location of shows that the co-ordinates 
given seem to be of the business park that its in rather than the 
building itself: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.22910/-1.42264 
.  That list should be OK for spotting missing examples, but if one is 
missing you'd need to visit to see which actual building it was in.  
Obviously a nominatim search of e.g. "harvester in chesterfield" will 
also return (or not) whatever OSM has.


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Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

[Tony OSM]

Yes, maintenance when things change is an issue.

I've looked at taginfo listed_status and found several variations  for 
Scheduled Monument, Grade(value)


I plan to do several things if there are no objections

1. update wiki listed_status to show the capitalised values Scheduled 
Monument, Protected Wreck Site,
Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site, Certificate of 
Immunity, Building Preservation Notice


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

2. find those variations in the map in England and where I am sure amend 
the values of listed_status. I see this as a data cleansing exercise - 
there are about 20 elements.


Tony

On 16/07/2020 13:42, Nick wrote:


listed_status:website - URL seems to have changed from 
http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1409803 to 
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1409803


On 16/07/2020 10:51, SK53 wrote:
It looks that for listed gardens we've used a combination of 
listed_status & listed_status_register (so each type belongs in a 
separate register): see Bagthorpe Gardens 
.


Mapping listed sties was a particular interest when Will & Richard 
Phillips created Evesham Mapped 
, 
so buildings and gardens are covered at least.


Jerry

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Brian Prangle > wrote:


I use listed_status =Scheduled Monument

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, 10:19 Tony OSM, mailto:tonyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found
Scheduled Monuments. They are described in the Historic
England list as Heritage Category: Scheduled Monument and has
a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building ,
Grade: (I, II*, II) and a list entry number.

I can find tagging guidelines for a listed building but not
for Scheduled Monument or for any of the other Heritage
Categories (Protected Wreck Site,
Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site,
Certificate of Immunity, Building Preservation Notice)

Can someone point me to the correct place for English
guidelines?

I have looked at:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

For a building or similar I presently use

HE_ref=1072653
heritage=2
heritage:operator= Historic England
historic= heritage
listed_status=Grade II
name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park
barrier=gate
start_date= mid C19

website=https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1072653

Could listed_status be expanded to hold the above definitions?


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Re: [Talk-GB] POI files of Pub/Restaurant chain

[osm]

Hi Dave,

I got them from their website (harvester.co.uk/poi) and have done A LOT of 
additional things to create a GeoJSON, that I can import to MapRoulette, that 
would help engage the community.

I haven't gotten permission to use the data yet (have to send a snail-mail 
:-/), so please do not go and start adding data to OSM just yet, please.

Kai

> Dave F via Talk-GB  hat am 16. Juli 2020 um 14:53 
> geschrieben:
> 
> 
> Hi
> Did you obtain them from their website? If so, could you post the link?
> What's the content? Just location co-ordinates?
> 
> DaveF
> 
> On 15/07/2020 14:00, o...@poppe.dev wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I just accidentally found that the Pub next to "curious 20602512" is 
> > operated by a chain with quite a few places. They provide four different 
> > POI file formats with all their locations.
> >
> > As this data is pretty much openly accessible, I think there'd be no major 
> > issue with asking them if this data could be used to check all the places 
> > against OSM data and, if needed correct and/or create them, right?
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] POI files of Pub/Restaurant chain

[David Woolley]

On 15/07/2020 14:00, o...@poppe.dev wrote:

As this data is pretty much openly accessible, I think there'd be no major 
issue with asking them if this data could be used to check all the places 
against OSM data and, if needed correct and/or create them, right?


I often find that business locations are way off target.  I think head 
offices often just plug the postcode into Google Maps, rather than 
asking someone to read them on their GPS capable mobile, or match them 
to actual features on the local map.


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[Talk-GB] the first OSMUK microgrant

[Jez Nicholson]

You may be aware that OSMUK launched a microgrant scheme The first
awardee, Alex at Bexhill-OSM, has received a grant part-funding the
purchase of a camera for street level photography. Alex's dedication
building https://bexhill-osm.org.uk/ is no secret. This combined with being
able to monitor progress via Mapillary plus being able to do local OSM
outreach introducing local history groups to mapping through photography
ticked many boxes.

He's even got an eco-friendly electric scooter...
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCtBA-9HnBC/

- Jez
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Re: [Talk-GB] POI files of Pub/Restaurant chain

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

Hi
Did you obtain them from their website? If so, could you post the link?
What's the content? Just location co-ordinates?

DaveF

On 15/07/2020 14:00, o...@poppe.dev wrote:

Hey all,

I just accidentally found that the Pub next to "curious 20602512" is operated 
by a chain with quite a few places. They provide four different POI file formats with all 
their locations.

As this data is pretty much openly accessible, I think there'd be no major 
issue with asking them if this data could be used to check all the places 
against OSM data and, if needed correct and/or create them, right?

K

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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

[Nick]

listed_status:website - URL seems to have changed from 
http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1409803 to 
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1409803


On 16/07/2020 10:51, SK53 wrote:
It looks that for listed gardens we've used a combination of 
listed_status & listed_status_register (so each type belongs in a 
separate register): see Bagthorpe Gardens 
.


Mapping listed sties was a particular interest when Will & Richard 
Phillips created Evesham Mapped 
, 
so buildings and gardens are covered at least.


Jerry

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Brian Prangle > wrote:


I use listed_status =Scheduled Monument

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, 10:19 Tony OSM, mailto:tonyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found
Scheduled Monuments. They are described in the Historic
England list as Heritage Category: Scheduled Monument and has
a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building ,
Grade: (I, II*, II) and a list entry number.

I can find tagging guidelines for a listed building but not
for Scheduled Monument or for any of the other Heritage
Categories (Protected Wreck Site,
Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site, Certificate
of Immunity, Building Preservation Notice)

Can someone point me to the correct place for English guidelines?

I have looked at:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref

For a building or similar I presently use

HE_ref=1072653
heritage=2
heritage:operator= Historic England
historic= heritage
listed_status=Grade II
name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park
barrier=gate
start_date= mid C19

website=https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1072653

Could listed_status be expanded to hold the above definitions?


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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

[SK53]

It looks that for listed gardens we've used a combination of listed_status
& listed_status_register (so each type belongs in a separate
register): see Bagthorpe
Gardens
.

Mapping listed sties was a particular interest when Will & Richard Phillips
created Evesham Mapped
,
so buildings and gardens are covered at least.

Jerry

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> I use listed_status =Scheduled Monument
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2020, 10:19 Tony OSM,  wrote:
>
>> Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
>> Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
>> Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.
>>
>> Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
>> II*, II) and a list entry number.
>>
>> I can find tagging guidelines for a listed building but not for Scheduled
>> Monument or for any of the other Heritage Categories (Protected Wreck Site,
>> Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site, Certificate of
>> Immunity, Building Preservation Notice)
>>
>> Can someone point me to the correct place for English guidelines?
>>
>> I have looked at:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref
>>
>> For a building or similar I presently use
>> HE_ref=1072653 heritage=2 heritage:operator= Historic England historic=
>> heritage listed_status=Grade II name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park
>> barrier=gate
>> start_date= mid C19 website=
>> https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1072653
>>
>> Could listed_status be expanded to hold the above definitions?
>>
>>
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