As I told in the other message, even with the best faith, some companies
will just ignore ou forever. Showing the product won't help, as even
itransport, which is a fairly accomplished map, does not feature them. I
made all this mess about legal questions, to bypass these unwilling
companies. I kno
Thank you for your answer. Indeed, it is almost impossible to prove you
indeed have the right to do anything, in the geographical data area. But to
answer to your idea of even bus stops physical locations being copyrighted,
we have the following story, that every lawyer in france takes back:
*consi
On 12/06/2010 05:07 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote:
Am 06.12.2010 15:26, schrieb Andrei Klochko:
Hello,
Yes, in France it's even worse: "the database producer may forbid any
quantitatively or quantitatively substantial extraction from his
database, by all means and in any form"
BUT you have this coun
On 6 December 2010 19:00, Andrei Klochko wrote:
> Good evening,
> i admit it, I know almost nothing about law. I focused on database,
> intellectual property law. These texts are quite small. I know my
> interpretation has no value
>
There is no such thing as "no value". Do you *really* want to
Moreover, concerning "public organisms holding the database copyright over
PT data" in germany (as I understood it from what you said), in France it's
different: transport agencies submit requests for new timetables and new
means (like going from 10 to 12 buses on a specific line) to the authority,
Good evening,
i admit it, I know almost nothing about law. I focused on database,
intellectual property law. These texts are quite small. I know my
interpretation has no value, which is why I just spent 1h and a half talking
to yet another lawyer. And what he told me was this: in one sentence, I am
Am 06.12.2010 15:26, schrieb Andrei Klochko:
Hello,
Yes, in France it's even worse: "the database producer may forbid any
quantitatively or quantitatively substantial extraction from his
database, by all means and in any form"
BUT you have this counterpart: "when a database is made available to
Hello,
Yes, in France it's even worse: "the database producer may forbid any
quantitatively or quantitatively substantial extraction from his database,
by all means and in any form"
BUT you have this counterpart: "when a database is made available to the
public by the holder of the rights, then he
Am 06.12.2010 14:54, schrieb Andrei Klochko:
Hi,
That is simply not true. I know what I am doing.
I would like to believe it as well, but as I know copyright laws (not of
France, but of other countries), to me it also sounds weird.
What I could suggest is to have an official, written advice
Hi,
That is simply not true. I know what I am doing. And the site I intended to
make was not at all intended to work like OSM does. It would be based on a
massive participation of local, ordinary people, with hopefully very few
efforts on their part. Once I'll have gathered more than 1 timetabl
Taking data in small parts, hoping no one will complain is not the way
to do it. Get written permission to use the data in a way that is
compatible to OSM, or leave it alone.
--
Cheers, Chris
user: chillly
On 06/12/10 13:13, Andrei Klochko wrote:
Ok, finally someone that really knows the cas
Ok, finally someone that really knows the case! so. First, if it is
like that, then a proper authorization to use the timetables and
routes, one by one, granted by veolia, keolis and transdev would do
for a great amount of pt companies in france. Correct? I happen to
have contacted veolia's directo
Am 06.12.2010 09:46, schrieb Jacques Lys:
Hello,
In fact, PT data are most often seen by agencies as being critical
data they have to protect while submitting tender for "Delegation de
Service Public".
I expected the timetables to be organized by a government supervisory
body, with only
Hello,
I'm afraid you're wrong : Transit data are generally not freely available in
France.
You should know that legally, PT are the responsibility of local
authorities. In fact these authorities entrust the operation of PT networks
to companies which are often subsidiaries of three major groups (
Le dimanche 5 décembre 2010, Michał Borsuk a écrit :
>
>
> On 5 December 2010 08:07, Andrei Klochko wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> But, at least in french law, as far as the opinions of the lawyers I
> consulted about this question were correct, any individual or company has the
> right, to download o
On 5 December 2010 08:07, Andrei Klochko wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> But, at least in french law, as far as the opinions of the lawyers I
> consulted about this question were correct, any individual or company has
> the right, to download one by one the timetables - and transportation plans!
> - of any
Hello,
I'm kind of quite new to osm, but it has been 6 months that I'm pursuing
this idea of a public transport router. At the very beginning, of course I
thought I would be alone, but very early I stumbled over this site:
www.itransports.fr
if you want to see what a really accomplished PT informa
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