There's a forum?
I don't have a problem with have lots of different modes of
communication, but it really needs to be made clear which one is THE
preferred way to talk to People Who Know Things and seek out community
agreement. It seems like that's the mailing lists (at the moment),
possibly
I'd love to see a consensus on how to tag these roads come pretty
quickly, as I'll need to have something finished in less than 2 months
(school schedules are rough, man!).
I would say that the result of your project will be usable even if we
change our mind. Once relations have been
One thing I /haven't/ seen addressed yet is whether single relations are
preferred, or one relation for each way with a super-relation.
Currently both are in use, but I think it would be a lot easier for
future code if we pick one and move towards it from now on.
I don't see any advantage for
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
So far, it seems to be something like
type=route
route=road
network=US:NY - state abbreviation
ref=87 - number only
symbol=*
or for county roads,
network=US:NY:Albany - full county name
As I pointed out
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
This seems relevant to this thread, although it's not in reply to any
particular part of it:
As part of a school project, I'm creating a robot that will use the
TIGER metadata to automatically attempt to create route
Mike N. nice...@att.net writes:
One thing I /haven't/ seen addressed yet is whether single relations are
preferred, or one relation for each way with a super-relation.
Currently both are in use, but I think it would be a lot easier for
future code if we pick one and move towards it from now
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
This seems relevant to this thread, although it's not in reply to any
particular part of it:
As part of a school project, I'm creating a robot that will use the
TIGER metadata
The potential problem I see is when you have a road that alternates
frequently between single- and dual-carriageways (which many state
routes do, and even a lot of US highways). How do you represent this in
a single relation?
1) Put single-carriageways in once, with no role. Or, with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction has
mentioned it for several months. Browsing through
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/exit_to I see use in Florida
(me), the UK, and France. There's also some use of
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/exit:to .
If we're
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes:
TIGER's state highway data is pretty horrible. For example, in
Florida, there are many so-called state roads that were given to the
Mike N. nice...@att.net writes:
The potential problem I see is when you have a road that alternates
frequently between single- and dual-carriageways (which many state
routes do, and even a lot of US highways). How do you represent this in
a single relation?
1) Put single-carriageways in
Adding a single-carriageway to the relation twice, once for each role,
would solve this problem instantly, as would using two separate
relations. Neither requires much (if any) code changes to support it.
But in any case, I'm much more in favor of consistency, even if the
format we choose isn't
Dear talk-us,
I'm now making daily OSM data extracts available for the US Census
Regions (as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_regdiv.svg) on
download.geofabrik.de. I will not do a full US or full North America
extract because I think it is too big (anyone who can process that might
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
If we're serious about starting to use exit_to, let's float this on the
talk list and get the JOSM preset changed. Eventually, all the existing
entries must be converted. (Hopefully no map data consumer is using the
name=
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Dear talk-us,
I'm now making daily OSM data extracts available for the US Census Regions
(as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_regdiv.svg) on
download.geofabrik.de. I will not do a full US or full North America
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
Here's one instance where this doesn't work as well as I'd like:
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyze.jsp?relationId=271830
Michigan 3 (which I picked randomly off a list) alternates between
single- and dual-carriageway.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Peter Budny pet...@gatech.edu wrote:
I'm not sure whether you're saying it's a good idea or a bad idea.
I don't know either. It's certainly a bad idea to add the auto-created
relations to the database, but I don't think this is what you're
planning.
It seems
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
If we're serious about starting to use exit_to, let's float this on the
talk list and get the JOSM preset changed. Eventually, all the existing
entries must be converted. (Hopefully no map data consumer is using the
name=
Hi,
On 10/16/2010 09:27 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
The extracts are in .osm.pbf format exclusively, you will need Osmosis 0.27
or the new pbf2osm (see dev list) to process them.
I meant 0.37, thanks Ian Dees for pointing that out.
I see, for example that this one for the NorthEast
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes:
It's certainly a bad idea to add the auto-created relations to the
database
You're not the first person to say this. You're also not the first
person to fail to give a reason why it would be so terrible.
Florida already has a full set of
Dear talk-us list,
we - the Data Working Group - have an issue that we hope you can
help us resolve.
There is one person in the US community - Paul Johnson a.k.a. baloo -
who is rather creative with his tagging. It seems to us that Paul has,
in the past, used the mere existence of a
On 10/15/2010 11:47 AM, Val Kartchner wrote:
The standard should be something easy to parse. Perhaps, for the above
example, it would be US:UT:SR-67. This would allow an easy way to
parse which shield to use. For instance, a made-up Canadian route would
be CA:BC:12. The colons would
On 10/15/2010 03:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Ian Dees
ian.dees-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
Surely we're missing plenty of people by only having a discussion on the
mailing list? SoTM.US proved to me that there are orders of magnitude more
On 10/16/2010 06:24 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
On 10/16/10 7:12 AM, Mike N. wrote:
One thing I /haven't/ seen addressed yet is whether single relations are
preferred, or one relation for each way with a super-relation.
Currently both are in use, but I think it would be a lot easier for
future
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
There is one person in the US community - Paul Johnson a.k.a. baloo - who is
rather creative with his tagging. It seems to us that Paul has, in the past,
used the mere existence of a cycle route to tag neighboring
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Dear talk-us list,
we - the Data Working Group - have an issue that we hope you can help us
resolve.
There is one person in the US community - Paul Johnson a.k.a. baloo - who is
rather creative with his tagging. It
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On 10/15/2010 03:04 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Ian Dees
ian.dees-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
Surely we're missing plenty of people by only having a discussion on the
On 10/15/2010 05:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ian Dees
ian.dees-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
I don't think we should be storing any prefix as part of the network=* or
ref=* tags (thus my suggestion for
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On 10/15/2010 05:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Ian Dees
ian.dees-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote:
I don't think we should be storing any prefix as part of the network=* or
On 10/16/2010 05:38 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Frederik Ramm
frederik-vktbmbtyydudnm+yrof...@public.gmane.org wrote:
There is one person in the US community - Paul Johnson a.k.a. baloo - who is
rather creative with his tagging. It seems to us that Paul has,
I wonder if both of the named parties would consider waiting 72 hours
for the community to review and consider the edits involved before
commenting further? It might be a sign of good faith if they would
also refrain from edits regarding this matter until the community has
had a chance to
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
I wonder if both of the named parties would consider waiting 72 hours
for the community to review and consider the edits involved before
commenting further?
Perhaps; I think I've said my piece (the main point being that
Richard,
On 10/17/2010 01:02 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
Frederik, are there a couple of representative edits for the community
to consider as well?
Here's a typical edit of Paul adding bicycle=destination:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5448874
And here's Nathan reverting it:
On 10/16/2010 06:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Paul Johnson
baloo-PVOPTusIyP/sroww+9z...@public.gmane.org wrote:
If bicycle=avoid were a valid tag, I'd use it on roads like this that
have unsafe bike facilities:
There's no such thing as an invalid tag.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On 10/16/2010 06:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
So would you have no objection to my use of bicycle=avoid on roads
that have bike lanes?
That would be ambiguous in most cases, and I believe you're being obtuse
for the
If we should continue to receive more complaints from or about the
individuals named in this posting, we will respond by banning both accounts
until they cool down.
How are you going to notice whether or not they've cooled down if they're
banned from editing?
Hi,
On 10/17/2010 12:15 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
If we should continue to receive more complaints from or about the
individuals named in this posting, we will respond by banning both
accounts until they cool down.
Just to clarify our position in this regard: No matter which of the
parties is
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Just to clarify our position in this regard: No matter which of the parties
is right or wrong, someone who puts his vision of correct tagging over
the project's wellbeing by starting or continuing an edit war can never be
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
This is why we have route relations. It's getting to the point of
ridiculous that we don't have proper rendering of something as basic as
a route relation.
Didn't we determine that Mapquest is most likely using
I'm somewhat hesitant to wade into this, but:
There is debate with the transportation/cycling community about
whether bike lanes are a good thing or a bad thing. Around me there
are some cycle lanes which are entirely within the door kill zone. I
would never ride in them, and their
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