Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Ilya Zverev
Handing out business cards is a great idea, which we in Russia have used numerous times. This usually directs a conversation towards mapping and its benefit for people, which is always good. You should not hide when mapping: educating people about OSM is an important part of surveying. You can

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Though I'm "old enough in this project" to celebrate my first decade coming up, I haven't seen the English, German or ANY version in printed form — I'd now almost consider it a historic document! And while I seldom snarl "don't print, we need our trees" (I did co-develop PDF while at Adobe, so

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
A bit of a tangent perhaps, but I sometimes will carry a digital audio recorder to quickly take a voice note instead of a picture or paper note. It’s very inconspicuous and JOSM can load them in the actual location if they are properly time stamped. Martijn van Exel > On Aug 21, 2018, at 17:2

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:24 PM Ian Dees wrote: > It'd be great to have smaller, shorter versions that could be handed out > like business cards to handle this case in particular, where business > owners are curious and law enforcement or other interested parties might > express concern. > I pic

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:01 PM Michael Reichert wrote: > Many years ago? They have been produced for more than ten years now – in > German. There is also an English version by Andy Allan. [1] > Yes, many years ago. Like you say: > ... > [1] Andy stopped distribution about two or three years a

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, Am 21.08.2018 um 20:19 schrieb Ian Dees: > Many years ago some OSM folks put together little fold-up pamphlets that > described OSM from a layperson's perspective. They were designed for > promotion at events, but maybe we could put together a tiny little sheet of > paper/business card that de

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM Clifford Snow wrote: > When I'm out taking pictures for later entry into OSM, I bring a bunch of > business cards to hand out. The card has my name, phone number, email and > the OSM website. I do this because I'm hoping to get interested businesses > to add more

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Mike N
On 8/21/2018 11:39 AM, Jmapb wrote: Don't know how common these sort of predatory tactics are outside NYC, but fair warning, there may be businesses out there who are no longer delighted at the thought of someone "from the internet" taking notice of their publicly-posted information. Good

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I like Clifford's approach of "If you are curious and asking, I reply openly and honestly with my real name and a card I'm handing you so you may forthrightly know who I am and what I'm doing." In the very, very limited number of times I have also had what I can only characterize as "mild inqui

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Kevin Broderick
It's worth noting that at least one business out there (locu) has a nasty habit of scraping menu data and then trying to sign restaurants up for a search-engine visibility package in order to be able to update it (they'll also remove it without a fee, if you ask in the right way, but there are hoop

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Clifford Snow
When I'm out taking pictures for later entry into OSM, I bring a bunch of business cards to hand out. The card has my name, phone number, email and the OSM website. I do this because I'm hoping to get interested businesses to add more data to OSM. But giving the staff a card might also lessen their

Re: [Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Jack Armstrong dan...@sprynet.com
After mapping for years in the way you described, I've never been approached by anyone. I try to be very discreet and I try to look like I'm just texting with someone. Sitting on a bench nearby is ideal - if available. I decided long ago that if anyone ever did approach me I'd just say I'm takin

[Talk-us] Food delivery services: Move-fast-and-break-trust

2018-08-21 Thread Jmapb
Hi USA, just wanted to bring up an issue that I've run into recently while mapping businesses in NYC. Whenever I'm walking through the city, I tend to whip out the phone and check for anything missing, incorrect, or incomplete. Often this means pausing in front of a restaurant and keying in co