Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Still feeling that cardinal directions only belong as roles in for child relations in super-relations. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward' and

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-30 Thread Peter Davies
Martijn I'm good with having a separate discussion of milepoints/*pointes kilometriques, *sure. I'll probably wait a week or two until a consensus emerges on posted directionality, as you suggest. Peter On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Peter, I think

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-30 Thread Peter Davies
Other examples of weird route designators include Arizona's Loop 101 and Loop 202 freeways in Maricopa County (Greater Phoenix). They are state highways, 100% freeways (probably), one around metro PHX and the other around the East Valley (Tempe/Mesa etc.). Like James I think that the route

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread peter . davies
We at Castle Rock Associates and our client Mn/DOT agree that I-35W is the route designator (ref on the way in OSM). Peter Davies Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:44:09 To: Saikrishna

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread peter . davies
I should add that in OSM, I-35W is written I 35W, without the dash. I-35 splits into I-35W and I-35E in MSP (MN) as well as in DFW (TX). Mn/DOT is the Minnesota Dept of Transportation. Peter Davies Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: peter.dav...@crc-corp.com

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Florian, It's more like a designation than a destination, so I think the destination tag would not be very appropriate for this. An Interstate has a cardinal direction, and when giving directions you would say for example 'enter Interstate 80 west'. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Florian

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
Peter, I think we should separate the discussion related to linear referencing / mileposts from the cardinal direction discussion - these are two different things really, to my mind. The notion of cardinal direction is a relatively straightforward one, and that is already cause for (cultural)

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:24 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: For example, imagine I'm near 2 ways that are both part of the I-80[1]. For simplicity let's assume that the way that I would take to get to eastbound destinations actually goes in an eastbound direction at my

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Peter Davies
Martijn I, too, await your clarification for KristenK, as I'm a little confused too. We need to keep in mind that positive and negative GIS Linear Reference directions (which are handy as global solutions applying everywhere in the US at least) beginning at milepoint 0.0, usually on the southern

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Peter Davies
When I typed The cost of reporting the whole route is usually prohibitive. below I meant The cost of reposting the whole route is usually prohibitive. By posting I mean signing. Peter Davies, Castle Rock On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Peter Davies peter.dav...@crc-corp.comwrote: Martijn

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Tue, November 26, 2013 1:57 pm, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:30:25PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/27/13 2:46 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: You also have compass-point letters used to distinguish between branches of the same route. For example, US 31 runs north/south. A portion of it branches off as US 31W, which runs roughly parallel, some miles westward of US 31, and eventually merges

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread Saikrishna Arcot
The same applies for I-35 in the DFW area; I-35E runs through Dallas while I-35W runs through Fort Worth. Saikrishna Arcot On Wed 27 Nov 2013 03:56:51 PM EST, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/27/13 2:46 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: You also have compass-point letters used to distinguish between

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-27 Thread James Mast
However, with the split Interstates (I-35W/I-35E in both TX and MN I-69E/I-69C/I-69W in TX) US Highways (and a few state highways), the letters are part of the route number. So, they wouldn't have any effect on the role part for relations. When given routing info, they'd act just like

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:30:25PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward' and 'backward' roles when considering the visual

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Tod Fitch
On Tue, November 26, 2013 1:57 pm, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:30:25PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I'm new to this list so please bear with me. The relation editor currently only parses 'forward'

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Paul Norman
From: Florian Lohoff [mailto:f...@zz.de] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 03:57:40PM -0600, Ian Dees wrote: No, these aren't compass directions.

Re: [Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Martijn van Exel
Yes, sorry for not being clearer. As Ian indicates, this is the *signposted cardinal direction* of a numbered road route, which does not change with the actual compass direction of the road. The guiding principle for the United States is that the odd numbered Interstates are north/south, and the

[Talk-us] [josm-dev] Relation editor support for north/south and east/west similar to forward/backward

2013-11-26 Thread Kristen Kam
Martijn, I want to make sure I understand what you're trying to convey to the group. Are you saying that If a way has a member role value of east then east will mean forward and then west (it's opposite) would mean backward? Example logic: ** If member role = east, node direction is eastbound