Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

> A simpler explanation would be that women are simply interested in other > past-times. And what's wrong with that? *On average* women are simply interested in other past-times. And what's wrong with that? --- groan that I have to put that caveat in, or people will twist your words. On

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

The ultimate goal for OSM should be a project which everyone feels welcome to be a part of, and which does not have a noticeable bias towards either gender or any given race. Also, please realize just because women are welcome to participate in OSM, does not necessarily mean that some women

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

On 09/05/2017 12:48 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: > Nick, > > This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing > is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping. > So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain > areas of gender bias in OSM and

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

The very notion that studying who participates in OSM is divisive is preposterous. The very notion that there would be nothing to learn if a project where "everyone has a chance to contribute if they want to" had a 99% to 1% gender imbalance is absolutely ridiculous. If there are groups of people

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

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Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is divisive. Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally doesn't matter. Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that you have to justify what you map, just because someone is studying it by gender? Charlotte At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote: On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis wrote: > One of the discussion

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Nick, This is a study, not a manifesto. All this researcher is doing is looking for gender bias, IF it exists, in OSM mapping. So, I have to ask, what would you do if she does find certain areas of gender bias in OSM and reports them? Would you be angry and quit mapping? Would

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

I am not sure pubs are a good thing to compare but I have certainly mapped playgrounds as I find them, no particular interest beyond trying to complete the map of my home town. Finding them does take time, they are not as easy to map as pubs (big buildings on the main roads). We are not a huge

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

While I agree that changing peoples mapping habits is possible by posting about certain mapping subjects, or developing apps, I do not see why it is wrong to question whether a typical mapper only maps what interests him/her or whether they also map other stuff. I map a lot of items in which I

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

This is how it's done http://www.dw.com/en/online-map-shows-wheelchair-accessible-locations-worldwide/a-15381244 I met this bloke at SOTM Japan some years ago. He didn't put out a questionaire about whether non-disabled persons tended to tag less accessability tags than disabled persons,

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

On 2017.09.05. 12:53, Nick Hocking wrote: > We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever > takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on > mapping that we do not want to do willingly. > > If the location based service providers find that certain

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

We are ,mostly, volunteers. Therefore I think we should map whatever takes our fancy and should not feel obliged to spend our time/money on mapping that we do not want to do willingly. If the location based service providers find that certain info is missing that they would like to have then

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Zoe, Reading these responses helps me understand why you are doing what you're doing. It's almost laughable that some male mappers responded with, well, sexist remarks concerning your work. People are not usually aware of the biases they introduce and that's why researchers must use statistical

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, without access to women's toilets ? The real question for me is are men more likely going to map shop=car than shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ ... (sorry

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Zoe, I'm not surprised that most OSM contributors are blokes. But what would make you think that indicates any kind of bias? People choose what they want to give their time to. I really don't mind what demographics contribute - it doesn't matter, so long as it's open to all - which osm

Re: [Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Zoe Gardner wrote: > Dear OSM talk subscriber > > > > I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the > University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in > geospatial crowdsourced projects such as

[Talk-us] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

Dear OSM talk subscriber I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the University of Nottingham in the UK, interested in participation biases in geospatial crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered Geographical Information (VGI) projects. My current