[Talk-us] Why OpenStreetMap US elections should use Single Transferable Vote (STV)

2016-12-17 Thread Alan McConchie
The 2016 OSM US elections aren't even over yet, but it's never too soon to start thinking about 2017. :) To that end, I wrote a diary post about why OSM US should switch to using Single Transferable Vote for its elections, like OSMF does. All of the current OSM US candidates support STV to

Re: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

2015-12-21 Thread Marc Gemis
d customly for everybody (I’d be able >> to see elevations in feet instead of meters), but that’s not how this one >> works. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> From: Alan Bragg [mailto:alan.d.br...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 7:3

Re: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

2015-12-21 Thread Toby Murray
> to see elevations in feet instead of meters), but that’s not how this one > works. > > > > Steve > > > > From: Alan Bragg [mailto:alan.d.br...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 7:32 AM > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap <talk-us@openstreetma

Re: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

2015-12-21 Thread Steve Friedl
: Alan Bragg [mailto:alan.d.br...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 7:32 AM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> Subject: [Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org? ​My preferred language is set to "en" For

[Talk-us] Why do city names display in the local language at osm.org?

2015-12-21 Thread Alan Bragg
​My preferred language is set to "en" For example Florence Italy displays as Firenze even though it's tagged with many languages including en:Florence I get the same display in both the chrome and internet explorer browsers. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread stevea
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: Yes, I'm saying the same things. In particular, if you ask me about these huge landuse polygons in Escondido, I don't particularily like them. I like detailed mapping, and I believe as soon as someone starts to map the details he'll have to split these polygons into

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread stevea
I add that another, vital, and even preferred approach towards mediocre or crude data is to contact the editor and offer help (instruction) in improving them. This really grows the project, too, when and as it takes. Fixing something myself (and/or with others, too) can remain as a last

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread SomeoneElse
On 05/03/2015 21:47, stevea wrote: I add that another, vital, and even preferred approach towards mediocre or crude data is to contact the editor and offer help (instruction) in improving them. This really grows the project, too, when and as it takes. Fixing something myself (and/or with

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-05 1:14 GMT+01:00 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com: What I understand Martin Koppenhoefer to say are essentially the same things, but I'm not sure if he understands (or agrees) with Escondido having large areas marked as landuse=residential. These are not simply zoned residential

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-05 Thread Stellan Lagerström
A related problem with Escondido is that the landuse areas boundaries are attached to road centerlines. This vastly increases the editing effort needed to improve on them later. /Stellan On 2015-03-05 13:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-03-05 1:14 GMT+01:00 stevea

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/4/2015 3:38 PM, stevea wrote: landuse in OSM should be the actual landuse, not the legally permitted / designed landuse (zoning). I do not disagree (meaning I agree), however: if my quarter-hectare property of low density residential zoning has a house, fences, a garage, lawns, a creek

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-04 Thread stevea
Paul Norman quotes my previous post in this thread and writes: This is describing the actual landuse, not the legally permitted landuse. An example of describing the zoning instead of the actual landuse is marking areas of the desert with no development as landuse=residential because the

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-04 Thread stevea
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: landuse in OSM should be the actual landuse, not the legally permitted / designed landuse (zoning). I do not disagree (meaning I agree), however: if my quarter-hectare property of low density residential zoning has a house, fences, a garage, lawns, a creek

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-03 Thread stevea
Being familiar with the SANDAG data (and less so, its import into OSM), the importation of landuse polygons into OSM (having done a number of these myself in California), Escondido proper (been there many times) and the various ways that California cities grow (often with low density, urban

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-03 18:55 GMT+01:00 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com: What Hans calls a mega residential area is actually local zoning which says that all properties (parcels) in a given area are zoned residential. While not strictly true that each square meter of this area has residential buildings

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-03-01 Thread Hans De Kryger
Thanks paul! *Regards,* *Hans* *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13* On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 2/28/2015 4:07 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: The city of Escondido has this mega

[Talk-us] Why?

2015-02-28 Thread Hans De Kryger
The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940 *Regards,* *Hans* *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13* ___

Re: [Talk-us] Why?

2015-02-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 2/28/2015 4:07 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: The city of Escondido has this mega residential area. Just wondering why? http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/33.1035/-117.0940 There's a few things going on here One is that there has been an import or tracing from an official landuse plan (e.g.

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here's an example of a specific feature type bringing a new mapper to OSM: https://bicycletrax.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/campuses-with-the-most-bike-repair-stations/ A modicum of guerrilla mapping can have a huge effect. A few athletic fields and building outlines can quickly snowball into

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-20 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here are two examples of mapping communities NOT in OSM: http://labyrinthlocator.com/ http://www.sanidumps.com/ To help find USA http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/148838 mappers: I've resolved to start including links to OSM in any location related email I send :-).

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-18 Thread Minh Nguyen
On 2015-02-17 12:30, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Mapilariy is fun... but collecting more data is not necessarily the avenue to a better map. Instead, consider how many people use the map. Consider how many people garden a particular area of the map. Consider how many people enthusiastically map a

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
A modicum of guerrilla mapping can have a huge effect. A few athletic fields and building outlines can quickly snowball into almost every building and driveway in town. [2] Try this: In the course of your everyday life, when you describe a meeting place to someone via email, send them a

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: It's easy and fun to hypothesize about why OSM is crummy in the US, but it's vastly more useful to think of ways to improve it. Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Harald Kliems
On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem? Mapillary[1] seems to have tremendous potential there. They've recently

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Tod Fitch
On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. . . . For what it is worth, the person starting the thread is a new mapper and may not know about the talk-us mail list. Or any other mail list for

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and

[Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Mike N
FYI - there's a general discussion on Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality? over on a web forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30121 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem?

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, Mapillary is great. I wonder if there's room to get GoPro+Mapillary to donate a few units to put together a rig that we could ship around to people in the US that could collect data for the US community...

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread stevea
Ian Dees writes: Increasing awareness through mapping parties/events seems to help a lot in urbanized areas, but we still haven't figured out how to apply that to the rest of the country. Tools like MapRoulette and fixme can guide existing mappers to areas that are probably in need of help.

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem?

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Eleanor Tutt
+1 to Bryce's comments about reaching out to existing communities with shared interests who may be using other tools/methods currently. This conversation reminds me a of a presentation I saw on Missouri's recent attempts to survey people about internet access and map broadband coverage, including

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Harald Kliems
On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson Could use a bit of work. It appears to be detecting Share the Road signs as Cycleway Slippery When Wet/Icy signs. Feel free to help make it better: http://www.mapillary.com/map/games/traffic Harald.

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
That's a very good question, and could be interesting in a number of ways. Oregon would be easier for a few reasons, namely that the state fair is centralized in one reasonably well connected city with a lot of indoor space with electricity (because it tends to be fairly predictably wet year

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Mike N
On 2/17/2015 3:30 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A pile of automatically imported or collected data is really not all that interesting or complete. I think in the USA the way forward involves finding user communities not served by other maps (e.g. Bear Boxes, above). I've found that after a quorum

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Could we make this a bit more mobile friendly? It'd be a great timesink when I'm on a bus I've already collected as much data as I can flying past everything in the dark on. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-21 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
The fact of the matter is that we don't have any numbers to back any of these claims up. Perhaps out ontology puts people off - perhaps not. Perhaps the launch of iD has led to more new sign-ups becoming recurring mappers - perhaps not. Maybe the increased visibility of OSM is a factor? Maybe the

[Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread osm
I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Ian Dees
Such a thing already mostly exists in the preset system. iD has a fairly extensive and growing set of presets that I encourage you to try (it follows the example you give). JOSM also has a preset system, but it's not nearly as obvious or as complete (at least for the mapping I do). You access it

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread John Firebaugh
Hi Charles, Have you looked at iD's preset-based feature editing UI? It's very close to what you describe: - Machine readable ontologyhttps://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/presets/README.md - Search-based UI - No detailed knowledge of tagging schemes necessary - Customized UI for

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Saikrishna Arcot
JOSM also has a plugin that provides a UI for entering opening_hours. That being said, this UI is in JOSM, but new users are probably going to use iD since it's easy to use and is right there (quick availability). -- Saikrishna Arcot On Monday, March 17, 2014 01:20:12 PM Ian Dees wrote: Such

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
I made exactly this point a while back on the diversity-talk list. The consequence of this is that by self-limiting *who* the mappers are, we also limit the types of things that will ever appear on the map. It’s even evident in your statement This map geek and his son?” — a point that well

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-18 1:32 GMT+01:00 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: The tagging of things bears little resemblance to things in the real world: I agree, first of all, i tried to explain to someone how to tag a cafe/bar and

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014, at 01:17 PM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

[Talk-us] Why you should attend a hack weekend

2013-02-08 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Folks, This is a very large project, with over a million user accounts, and tens of thousand of active mappers around the world, but we have a relatively small developer community for such a large project. If you've worked on some OSM related code, or are interested in contributing code to

Re: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-02-04 Thread Bill R. WASHBURN
The OSM Georgia meetup group is today, Feb 5, from noon to 3 PM at Raging Burrito in Decatur, Georgia, USA. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=143384779054605 Bill R. WASHBURN On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 04:02, Bill R. WASHBURN dygitulju...@gmail.comwrote: OK, I'll bite. Anyone in the

Re: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-02-02 Thread Sarah Manley
@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun? Message-ID: AANLkTikS4h8Cq_XhNbcXrVznAN8Z-usDOuQkz3q3mQ_=@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why aren't you getting more fun out of OpenStreetMap

Re: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-01-28 Thread Bill R. WASHBURN
OK, I'll bite. Anyone in the Atlanta area willing to meet up (or north of the fall line in Georgia who can come in to the MARTA service area), please send me a message and we'll see if we can work out the timing off-list. I know there are a bunch of mappers in the Decatur area so I'll propose

Re: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-01-28 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Bill R. WASHBURN dygitulju...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll bite. Anyone in the Atlanta area willing to meet up (or north of the fall line in Georgia who can come in to the MARTA service area), please send me a message and we'll see if we can work out the timing

Re: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-01-28 Thread Leroy E Leonard
The Metro Atlanta Geospatial Social group is a terrific crowd that hits a different bar usually on the 3rd Thursday of the month. Unfortunately, for new folks joining us, that means you missed a fun but noisy evening at Fado just last night. The group is a good mix coming from local governments,

Re: [Talk-us] why are you missing out on the this fun?

2011-01-28 Thread Coast, Hurricane
: [Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun? Message-ID: AANLkTikS4h8Cq_XhNbcXrVznAN8Z-usDOuQkz3q3mQ_=@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why aren't you getting more fun out of OpenStreetMap? Because you don't know the right people. That's right. You'll enjoy OSM even

[Talk-us] Why are you missing out on this fun?

2011-01-27 Thread Richard Weait
Why aren't you getting more fun out of OpenStreetMap? Because you don't know the right people. That's right. You'll enjoy OSM even more than you do now, once you meet some additional local mappers. But to do that you have to actually meet them. Yes, email is nice, IRC is fine, but you have to

Re: [Talk-us] Why addr:state rather than is_in:state?

2010-12-31 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Having said that - this is what he had in mind when we invented addr:*, but of course if the wider community wants to use addr:* for different stuff then I guess we cannot keep them from it... It looks like the

Re: [Talk-us] Why addr:state rather than is_in:state?

2010-12-31 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-12-31 14:22, Toby Murray wrote: ... Also, is there much value in adding these tags on multi-state relations? For example: addr:state=TN;KY;OH;IN on this relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/444136 [ US-27 ] Not IMO for US-* routes. No more than tagging everything

Re: [Talk-us] Why addr:state rather than is_in:state?

2010-12-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Many route relations use addr:state to describe what state the route is in. Should a tag intended for addresses be used this way, or is is_in:state a better tag to use? The addr:* family of tags was created exclusively with addressing in mind. Only objects that have a postal address