Re: [Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

2017-09-19 Thread Vivek Bansal 
All,

I messaged pflier last night and today we have been having a fruitful and
positive discussion.  As soon as he gets access to the list he will comment.

-3vivekb



On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:27 AM Saikrishna Arcot 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've seen the new stoplines in San Jose as well, and the reason they're
> not useful as-is IMO is because they're not connected to the main road that
> has the stop line; it's just a floating disconnected way. If they were
> connected to the road, then it would be more useful to data users, but in
> their current state, for it to be of use, data users would have to do some
> additional processing on their end to find out what way it intersects to
> see where it applies.
>
>
> On 09/19/2017 08:00 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Vivek Bansal <3viv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
>> `highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our
>> workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re adding
>> sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big mechanical edit? Even if the
>> concept is good, they’d have to be remapped in order to be useful anyways.
>> Maybe they should be a node along the centerline.  Or instead they should
>> be a road_marking.
>>
>> This also affects Phoenix, Arizona.
>>
>> Here is a link to pfliers history:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411
>>
>> Here is pfliers proposal:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line
>>
>> -3vivekb
>>
>> I noticed the new tagging in Phoenix.  I sent the Keep Right maintainer a
> request that excludes highway=stopline from "intersections without
> junctions" checking.  I do not believe the sky is falling.  I don't see how
> these stoplines would have to be remapped.  When we look at the data, all
> the Phoenix stoplines are mapped by traffic lights.  I am not sure how
> stoplines would impact your workflow.  Ignore the Josm validation
> recommendations for these stoplines.  I haven't put a request into Josm
> maintainers but it is certainly something that you can do.
>
> The proposal has something to do with autonomous cars. The stoplines may
> just be perfect for the Phoenix area.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/06/23/arizona-getting-ahead-autonomous-vehicle-industry-stepping-aside-waymo-uber-intel-chevy-bolt/405436001/
>
>
> https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15=33.51322=-112.06043=B0T=0%2C130%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198_ign=0_tmpign=0
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[Talk-us] Uploading sidewalks in San Jose, California, US

2017-09-19 Thread Vivek Bansal 
All,

I'm asking for a community review of our project to import the Sidewalks of
San Jose, California.

The Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County,_California/San_Jose_Sidewalk_Import

Summary:
We are mappers attached to Code for San Jose.

We are using the San Jose data which has an ODbL compliant license (and any
government data in California has the same).  The import will happen
through the tasking manager in 640 separate blocks using JOSM.

We are only adding the sidewalks - not crossings nor curb cuts.

We are following the reasoning of the Seattle Import.

This message will be cross-posted on:
imports
talk-us
talk-us-sfbay

Thank you for your time!

-Vivek Bansal (3vivekb)
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Re: [Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

2017-09-19 Thread Saikrishna Arcot 
Hi,

I've seen the new stoplines in San Jose as well, and the reason they're
not useful as-is IMO is because they're not connected to the main road
that has the stop line; it's just a floating disconnected way. If they
were connected to the road, then it would be more useful to data users,
but in their current state, for it to be of use, data users would have
to do some additional processing on their end to find out what way it
intersects to see where it applies.

On 09/19/2017 08:00 AM, Greg Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Vivek Bansal <3viv...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
> `highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering
> up our workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator
> as we’re adding sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big
> mechanical edit? Even if the concept is good, they’d have to be
> remapped in order to be useful anyways. Maybe they should be a
> node along the centerline.  Or instead they should be a road_marking.
>
> This also affects Phoenix, Arizona.
>
> Here is a link to pfliers history:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411
> 
>
> Here is pfliers proposal:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line
> 
>
> -3vivekb
>
> I noticed the new tagging in Phoenix.  I sent the Keep Right
> maintainer a request that excludes highway=stopline from
> "intersections without junctions" checking.  I do not believe the sky
> is falling.  I don't see how these stoplines would have to be
> remapped.  When we look at the data, all the Phoenix stoplines are
> mapped by traffic lights.  I am not sure how stoplines would impact
> your workflow.  Ignore the Josm validation recommendations for these
> stoplines.  I haven't put a request into Josm maintainers but it is
> certainly something that you can do.
>
> The proposal has something to do with autonomous cars. The stoplines
> may just be perfect for the Phoenix area.
> http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/06/23/arizona-getting-ahead-autonomous-vehicle-industry-stepping-aside-waymo-uber-intel-chevy-bolt/405436001/
>
> https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15=33.51322=-112.06043=B0T=0%2C130%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198_ign=0_tmpign=0
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Re: [Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

2017-09-19 Thread Greg Morgan 
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Vivek Bansal <3viv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
> `highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our
> workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re adding
> sidewalks. Can we remove them in one big mechanical edit? Even if the
> concept is good, they’d have to be remapped in order to be useful anyways.
> Maybe they should be a node along the centerline.  Or instead they should
> be a road_marking.
>
> This also affects Phoenix, Arizona.
>
> Here is a link to pfliers history:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/pflier/history#map=6/38.882/-117.411
>
> Here is pfliers proposal:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line
>
> -3vivekb
>
> I noticed the new tagging in Phoenix.  I sent the Keep Right maintainer a
request that excludes highway=stopline from "intersections without
junctions" checking.  I do not believe the sky is falling.  I don't see how
these stoplines would have to be remapped.  When we look at the data, all
the Phoenix stoplines are mapped by traffic lights.  I am not sure how
stoplines would impact your workflow.  Ignore the Josm validation
recommendations for these stoplines.  I haven't put a request into Josm
maintainers but it is certainly something that you can do.

The proposal has something to do with autonomous cars. The stoplines may
just be perfect for the Phoenix area.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/tech/2017/06/23/arizona-getting-ahead-autonomous-vehicle-industry-stepping-aside-waymo-uber-intel-chevy-bolt/405436001/

https://www.keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15=33.51322=-112.06043=B0T=0%2C130%2C191%2C192%2C193%2C194%2C195%2C196%2C197%2C198_ign=0_tmpign=0
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Re: [Talk-us] Requesting to remove stoplines in San Jose

2017-09-19 Thread Frederik Ramm 
Hi,

On 19.09.2017 03:39, Vivek Bansal wrote:
> Hey, I noticed pfliers has added lots of unconnected ways w/
> `highway=stopline` all over San Jose. It’s really been cluttering up our
> workflows in iD, and now it’s triggering JOSM’s validator as we’re
> adding sidewalks. 

Who is "we"?

> Can we remove them in one big mechanical edit? Even if
> the concept is good, they’d have to be remapped in order to be useful
> anyways. 

I'm unsure - why do you think they have to be "remapped to be useful"?
Useful to whom? Have you discussed this with the user (or have you at
least tried)?

It sounds to me as if there are two contravening goals here. One, we
would like to avoid people adding "niche" information to the map that
makes it more difficult for other mappers to do their work. But on the
other hand, we encourage people when they're planning to introduce a new
tag, to "test-run" it for feasibility. You don't have to ask for
permission to map something new, and you shouldn't have to expect others
to simply remove your stuff because their chosen editor pops up a
warning. (It could be the editor or the workflow that need changing, not
the data.)

> Maybe they should be a node along the centerline.  Or instead
> they should be a road_marking.

That's a valuable discussion to be held, and I would suggest to hold
this discussion before removing anything, if possible (and if the user
in question is willing to discuss).

Your sidewalks are not per se more important or more valuable than
pfliers' stop lines, and you wouldn't want someone else to simply
mass-delete your sidewalks because their editor showed them a warning
when adding stop lines!

> Here is pfliers proposal:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/stop_line

The proposal certainly needs fleshing out. Personally I think the use of
the "highway" tag is questionable since there will be many applications
out there that treat any linear feature with highway=* as something you
can travel on.

Bye
Frederik

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