Hello Thomas,
>>> Because a lot of innocent users are suffering from the providers,
>>> mainly in the U.S.:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bat!#Forged_headers
KV>> Ritlabs should sue the mass mailers' developers. They forge
KV>> INTENTI
uld sue the mass mailers' developers. They forge
KV> INTENTIONALLY the X-Mailer header that has bad effect on Ritlabs'
KV> business. Simple.
I agree. But how practical is that advice? If those developers are in
another country, imagine the legal cost involved.
--
Chee
am Samstag, 16. August 2008 um 10:12 schrieb Maxim Masiutin:
> The Bat! 4.0.28.2 is available
Up + Running
> [*] Since this version, the option to use the "X-Mailer" header is
> turned OFF, even if you had it ON in a previous version of The Bat!
And... there is no Reason
Hello Peter,
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:49:54 +0200 (19.09.2004 20:49 my local time),
received Monday, September 20, 2004 at 2:19:59 +0600,
you wrote about "X-Mailer Problems",
at least in part:
PP> Justin?
Justin Mason, SA author (GMX uses Assassin, according to used synt
On Thu 16-Sep-04 2:01am -0400, Thorvald Neumann wrote:
> Since v3 appeared in a hurry, it seems the X-Mailer setting is enabled
> as a default option.
Better yet, I wish Ritlabs would finally just change the
Editor attribute to yes. In this group, I'd like it to
read:
The Bat! 3
t; might be triggering a spam flag.
AL> In this case ADR was single "bad boy" - it was classified as
AL> spamware
That's too bad, as I am no spammer and just sending normal e-mail.
KC>> Perhaps the combination of The Bat! header plus mail not coming
KC>> from a regi
Hello Peter,
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:35:47 +0200 (18.09.2004 16:35 my local time),
received Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 20:11:36 +0600,
you wrote about "X-Mailer Problems",
at least in part:
PP> Therefore it would be good to hear from somebody @RITLabs about syntax
P
Hello Kevin,
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:11:23 -0400 (18.09.2004 20:11 my local time),
received Saturday, September 18, 2004 at 23:25:55 +0600,
you wrote about "X-Mailer Problems",
at least in part:
KC> I'm wondering if my sending messages directly through my Advanced
K
ite using TB!
TN> ;) and the others from this list aren't.
Because his mail had boundaries set.
See <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Guess someone should tell SpamAssassin and GMX the filter rule sets
urgently need to be adjusted ...
Therefore it would be good to hear from somebody @RITLabs a
Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:47:55 +0200
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:47:37 -0400
From: Kevin Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.0.15) Professional
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul Cartwright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In-Reply-To: <[
message
IAW> headers.
It's in:Options/Preferences/General, the item 'Use X-Mailer header
messages etc.'
--
Best regards,
Roger
Flying with The Bat!, version 3.0.0.15, and antispam BayesIt! 0.6.3
on Wind
Hello Ian, hello tbbeta,
> The only place I can find it is in
> Options/Preferences/Messages/Message Headers, and here under the
> columns they are all marked NO but I still see it in my message
> headers.
Options/Preferences, disable Use X-Mail Header in messages.
hth
--
Regards
Frank
On Thursday, September 16, 2004 @ 12:01:57 AM [-0700], Thorvald Neumann wrote:
> Since v3 appeared in a hurry, it seems the X-Mailer setting is enabled
> as a default option.
Not confirmed. My X-Mailer option has remained unchecked through all
V3 upgrades.
--
Hello Mary, hello tbbeta,
> I sent one. Got a Returned Mail Notification re Permanent Fatal Error.
> Here's a copy-and-paste from it:
Please try it in a couple of minutes again.
> Was this an expected result?
Not expected, but the result (of a fault, my fault ;( )
sorry.
--
Regards
Fra
Hello Frank,
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 8:10:58 PM, you wrote:
FW> Feel free to send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll post the result in a
FW> couple of day's.
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Hello Frank!
On Thursday, September 16, 2004, 1:10 PM, you wrote:
FW> Feel free to send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll post the result
FW> in a couple of day's.
I sent one. Got a Returned Mail Notification re Permanent Fatal Error.
Here's a copy-and-paste from it:
=
Hello,
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 11:25:05 AM, you wrote:
TN> IMO Ritlabs should modify the X-Mailer.
Agreed. So pleae modify this header - this would be a good solution :)
--
Best regards,
Prezes mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Bat! v3.0.0.15, Windows XP 5.1, Bu
Hæ!
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 10:53, Prezes wrote:
> Not agreed. By default X-mailer header should be enabled (to identify
> version of TB). If somebody wants to turn off this header he can do
> it.
I disagree. The normal user does not know why his emails do not
"arrive".
Hello,
Thursday, September 16, 2004, 9:01:57 AM, you wrote:
TN> Since v3 appeared in a hurry, it seems the X-Mailer setting is enabled
TN> as a default option.
Confirmed.
TN> I now get many "complains", meaning messages written by TB3 users are
TN> marked with FORGED_M
Hello,
I write because from 2.01.6 version x-mailer header id default
disabled. This is not a good thing! A lot of antispam programs mark
as spam all mails without any X-mailer header. Gain from removing
x-mailer header could be very small than deleting many mails by
antispam programs
martes, 21 oct 2003 at 19:58, it seems you wrote:
> In my case, it does matter, because SpamBayes uses 25 for training
Change the port for X-Ray (if you can).
You could use also my miniRelay server for send and change/add/remove
headers. It has an option to change the port.
English info:
Hi Keith,
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:58:31 -0600 GMT (10/21/2003, 12:58 PM +0500 GMT my
time), Keith Russell wrote:
>> On second thought, it should not matter if Bayes is already on
>> 127.0.0.1, as Bayes is already used, but for POP3, port 110, and Xray
>> is used for SMTP (port 25). Untested, but v
Hello, Marcus.
>> Okay, so what if I already have a Bayesian filter sitting between TB
>> and the server at 127.0.0.1. How would you suggest I set up Xray?
> The bayesian filter works on port 110, used by POP3. XRay works on port
> 25 for SMTP. No problem using them both at the same time.
Actual
Hello, Gary.
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 8:09:53 AM, you wrote:
K>> Okay, so what if I already have a Bayesian filter sitting between TB
K>> and the server at 127.0.0.1. How would you suggest I set up Xray?
> You could try putting Bayes on 127.0.0.2 and Xray on 127.0.0.1 and see if
> that work
Hello, Gary.
On Monday, October 20, 2003, 7:59:44 PM, you wrote:
> Ah, what you have to do is config TB!'s SMTP to send using localhost or
> 127.0.0.1 and then config Xray's SMTP to your actual ISP SMTP address.
> This way, TB! sends it through Xray, and Xray changes the headers to what
> you wis
Hello Tony,
It was Monday, October 20, 2003 at 22:32 GMT +0100, when Tony Boom
wrote:
SF>> There is currently no ability for you to customize what the text
SF>> of that Header is.
> But that would be nice.
Don't hold your breath for that. Stefan's position was made very
clear during the v2.0
Hi John,
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:38:59 -0500 GMT (10/20/2003, 8:38 PM +0500 GMT my
time), John Morse wrote:
J> I had a misrable time with X-Ray... I couldn't configure it to do
J> anything... I had to uninstall it just to send mail again.
Ah, what you have to do is config TB!'s SMTP to send using
Hi TheBat Beta Group,
Monday, October 20, 2003, 5:04:07 PM, you wrote:
G> You probably could change/modify that header, like most others, if you use Xray..
I had a misrable time with X-Ray... I couldn't configure it to do
anything...
I had to uninstall it just to send mail again.
--
Regards,
J
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Hash: SHA1
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Thomas F. [TF] wrote:
TF> What author? I thought we were talking about ISP's like Cogeco who
TF> filter on X-Mailer header. Have I missed something?
He's refer
ing about ISP's like Cogeco who
filter on X-Mailer header. Have I missed something?
--
Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.
All generalizations are false.
Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1
under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A
using an AMD At
Hello list
I got today a message where the MUA wasn't indicated with "X-Mailer"
but
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4)
Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1
Is this a new definition? Seems TheBat! can handle it very good -
thanks a lot.
-
Hello Stefan,
On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, you wrote:
ST> What I am doing here is provoking people to tell us whether it is a
ST> good or a bad thing to put serial numbers into messages. Accordingly
ST> to what we will hear, we will make our decision on this subject.
I'd prefer the ability t
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:12:21 +0200, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
[..snip..]
AVK>> Really? And when you sold DN, too??? Please, tell us the the truth at least
AVK>> *now*!
> We have bought Borland Pascal with objects in January (or February - I
> do not remember exactly) 1994. We could not do it earli
Hi Allie,
Your message from Mittwoch, 05. Jänner 2000:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:57:53 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
>
> [..snip..]
>
>>> Yes, the provider knows the number. But i can use a *prepaid*
>>> internet connection and a *prepaid* cellular and no one can make a
>>> connection to me, bec
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:24:16 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 5:24:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
>> Thomas> Bad hair day - happens do all of us. :-)
Alexander> Thanks for understanding
Hello Denis V. Petelin,
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 06:12:17 +0500 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 01, 1997, 8:12:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Denis V. Petelin wrote:
Denis> Once again - sorry for the bad date. Hope to fix it soon.
I can sell you cheap some y2k cards which some idiots
Hello Peter Steiner,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:43:29 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 12:43:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Peter Steiner wrote:
Peter> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:10:21 +0200, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:
Then he/she could be easily traced by IP numbers in
IMHO serial number in X-mailer is not a problem or even it's a good
thing.
Btw as many user ask for a free serial number X-mailer i sugget a
solution: how's about a encrypted number?
It could be work like this:
1) Every message generate a random number
2) The serial number will
Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] Alexander,
>> AVK> Finally, as for stolen keys... Don't be childish, please... Do
>> AVK> *you* use licensed Windows out there? And do *you* use
>> AVK> licensed Delphi to make TB?
>>
>> Sure, we have licensed all software we use to make The Bat!
A
Hello Allie,
AM> I think Ritlabs should then decide how important this method of security
AM> is to them as opposed to their customers comfort. :(
I just want to make it clear. I do not want to offend anybody and if I
actually offended somebody, I beg their pardon.
What I am doing here is provo
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:57:53 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
[..snip..]
WA>> Yes, the provider knows the number.
WA>> But i can use a *prepaid* internet connection and a *prepaid* cellular
WA>> and no one can make a connection to me, because no one knows, to whom
WA>> these things belong.
> Are w
Hello Alexander,
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:37:19 +0300GMT (05/01/2000, 06:37 +0800GMT),
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
>> It's your problem :-) We think that it is at least unfair to ask
>> people to pay for a program we have made when we did not pay for the
>> programs we use.
AVK> That's what I thi
Hello Peter,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:43:29 +0100GMT (05/01/2000, 01:43 +0800GMT),
Peter Steiner wrote:
PS> And to further blur your traces you can switch between different
PS> providers (here in Switzerland there are perhaps a dozen free
PS> providers, so i have a couple of RAS connection icons on
Hello Werner,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:09:29 +0100GMT (05/01/2000, 06:09 +0800GMT),
Werner Arts wrote:
WA> Yes, the provider knows the number.
WA> But i can use a *prepaid* internet connection and a *prepaid* cellular
WA> and no one can make a connection to me, because no one knows, to whom
WA> the
Hello Thomas Fernandez,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:33:27 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 9:33:27 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Thomas> Hello Alexander,
Thomas> On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:20:06 +0300GMT (04/01/00, 07:20 +0800GMT),
Thomas> Alexander V.
Hello tracer,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:19:25 +0700GMT (04/01/2000, 10:19 +0800GMT),
tracer wrote:
>>> Stefan has a point here. The FBI have even tracked down the author of
>>> a virus, who used a stolen email address. And, if you are a dissident
>>> using the internet, you will (or should) know abo
Hello Roel,
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:57:05 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 2:57:05 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Roel wrote:
Roel> not so fast:
Roel> if i don't want to be traced that easily (well, exluding governement),
Roel> i simply send my mail, close my connectio
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:13:13 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 5:13:13 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
Alexander> On 3 Jan 00, at 22:48, Claudius Regn wrote
Alexander> about
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:26:23 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 5:26:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
Alexander> On 3 Jan 00, at 23:15, Rob wrote
Alexander> about "R
Hello Ron,
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:42:15 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 3:42:15 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Ron wrote:
Ron> I would prefer some other method to detect stolen keys. Maybe TB
Ron> could use the S/N header technique and further encrypt the S/N by
Ron>
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:04:56 +0300 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 3:04:56 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
Alexander> Hi there!
>>
>> Stefan has a point here. The FBI have even tracked down the author of
>> a virus, w
Hello Alexander,
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:20:06 +0300GMT (04/01/00, 07:20 +0800GMT),
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
>> What's up Alex?
>>
>> Did you awaken on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :)
AVK> Rather going to sleep right now:-) But well, you're right, I've been rude
AVK> probably -- m
Hello Alexander,
AVK> OK, I'm on this mailing list for half a year, maybe even more. And what? The
AVK> bugs are still there in their majority:-(
Better you criticize RITlabs than leaving TheBat! for good :-) !
--
With best regards,
Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Alexander,
AVK> Joking? If any mail client didn't allow me to edit these headers, I wouldn't even
AVK> consider using it:-) How are you going to address your messages then?:-)
I mean e.g. the info, that will be shown in the recipients client as
'To: xyz'. Not 'Received ... for xyz'.
These
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:20:06 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
[..snip..]
>> Did you awaken on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :)
> Rather going to sleep right now:-) But well, you're right, I've been rude
> probably -- my apologies...
I'm only joking really so don't mind me too m
Hi there!
On 3 Jan 00, at 17:45, Allie Martin wrote
about "Re: X-Mailer":
> > In short, what's your business anyway? Have you something more to
> > argue against in his message?
>
> What's up Alex?
>
> Did you awaken on the wrong side of the
t key at all *and*
Alexander> setting the Partner variable (or whatever, I don't remember) in
Alexander> the registry to blank results in:
Alexander> X-Mailer: The Bat! 1.38e UNREG/
Alexander> And that's all, i.e. *no* number is inserted at this point.
Alexander> As for me, I
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:26:23 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
[..snip..]
> In short, what's your business anyway? Have you something more to
> argue against in his message?
What's up Alex?
Did you awaken on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :)
--
-=Allie=- | Us
Hi there!
On 3 Jan 00, at 23:15, Rob wrote
about "Re[2]: X-Mailer":
> Friday, January 10, 1997, 10:01:23 PM, you wrote:
>
> > I wish all the society here asks the guys from RIT to fix more urgent
> > bugs.
>
> you care about bugs
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