On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Yes. In the midst of a home move, so I'll try to get to this ... soonish. If
> > I don't, and you remember before I do, pleaes remind me :)
> Ahoy Matt, this is your reminder :)
After I get through all these flock talks! :)
--
On Sun, 2018-11-18 at 11:15 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 03:20:10PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 14:16 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > > Justification:
> > > >
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 03:20:10PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 14:16 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > Justification:
> > >
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 14:16 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Justification:
> > http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
>
> More seriously: I don't think there are any
On 9/22/18 4:48 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sat, 2018-09-22 at 11:06 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:30 AM Adam Williamson
wrote:
Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the
On Sat, 2018-09-22 at 11:06 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:30 AM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
> > around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
> > for testing, then another
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 11:30 AM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
> around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
> for testing, then another few hours to run complete installs from them
> all (since optical
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:56:07 -0400
"pmkel...@frontier.com" wrote:
> BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
> serve the installs?
I think you are mixing two different install methods. There is a
netinstall image, that has a barebones Fedora that gets installed,
On 9/21/18 3:40 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/18 12:35 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/18 11:56 AM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge of
servers (now to set them up
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 12:35:17PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup
> >to serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge
> >of servers (now to set them up and maintain them) is zero and
> >there doesn't seem to be any
On 9/21/18 12:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 9/21/18 3:35 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/18 11:56 AM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge of
servers (now to set them
On 9/21/18 12:35 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/18 11:56 AM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge of
servers (now to set them up and maintain them) is zero and there
On 9/21/18 3:35 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/21/18 11:56 AM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge of
servers (now to set them up and maintain them) is zero and there
On 9/21/18 11:56 AM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to
serve the installs? I only ask because right now my knowledge of servers
(now to set them up and maintain them) is zero and there doesn't seem to
be any automatic tools to
On Fri, 2018-09-21 at 14:56 -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
>
> On 9/21/18 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> > > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
> >
> > Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 09:24:56PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Ok, so ISO images would still be produced and could be burned to OM
> for installation. There just isn't any guarantee (at release) that the
> OM would actually boot and one could squawk it if it didn't and not be
> poo-poo'd about
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 02:23:24PM +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
> Speaking for I believe most of the QA team: "We'd be happy to". Testing
> optical boot is a major PITA. The decision is not ours, though, but I
> assume it belongs to the groups owning the media currently blocking optical
> boot. Which
On 9/21/18 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
On Fri, 2018-09-21 at 13:52 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 1:30 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> > > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
> >
> > Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 1:30 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
>
> Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
> around any more. It takes like a half hour just to
On 9/21/18 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
for testing, then another few hours to run
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 8:33 AM Kamil Paral wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:17 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:36 PM Harold Dost wrote:
>> >
>> > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another
>> > blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's
On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 6:17 AM Chris Murphy
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:36 PM Harold Dost wrote:
> >
> > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another
> blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's not something that _must_ be
> tested, but if it's known to be
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:17 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Justification:
> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
>
> More seriously: I don't think there are any
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 8:36 PM Harold Dost wrote:
>
> Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another
> blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's not something that _must_ be
> tested, but if it's known to be broken that it should block a final. Maybe
> I'm missing
Harold Dost composed on 2018-09-20 22:35 (UTC-0400):
> Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another
> blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's not something that _must_ be
> tested, but if it's known to be broken that it should block a final.
+1
--
"Wisdom is
Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome? Similar to another
blocker that was being proposed, maybe it's not something that _must_ be
tested, but if it's known to be broken that it should block a final. Maybe
I'm missing something, but unless the image is over the capacity of a DVD,
On 9/21/18 9:47 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:08 PM Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 9/21/18 7:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>>
That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
breaking them, or other
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 6:08 PM Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> On 9/21/18 7:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >
> >> That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
> >> breaking them, or other random failures. When a flash drive
On 9/20/18 7:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:51 PM Robert Moskowitz wrote:
That is what I meant about installing from CD. I take the ISO image and
burn it to CD. If that is what is proposed to still be included, then I
can work with it.
The size of the Workstation
On 9/21/18 7:42 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
>> That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
>> breaking them, or other random failures. When a flash drive dies, it's
>> gone, very difficult to recover if even possible. I
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:34 PM Anderson, Charles R wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
> > boot USB media natively. They can boot some USB-based and most IDE-based
> > CD/DVD drives.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:51 PM Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> That is what I meant about installing from CD. I take the ISO image and
> burn it to CD. If that is what is proposed to still be included, then I
> can work with it.
The size of the Workstation live ISO exceeds what will fit on a CD.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:47 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
> breaking them, or other random failures. When a flash drive dies, it's
> gone, very difficult to recover if even possible. I would not recommend
> a flash drive (or DVD)
Okay,
I see. I always burn the ISOs to DVD and do bare metal installs from
DVD; so I am testing this criteria every time I install a new drop for
testing. Well, I have no plans to change my install procedure. I don't
test every drop, and so far I wait to start testing until the new
version
On 9/20/18 5:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 16:10 -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
Consider cost please. DVDs are a few cents each. From what I've seen 16
Gb is the smallest thumb drive available now and they are fading fast.
Even in lot quantity they are between $6 an
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 16:42 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 9/20/18 4:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > > I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
> > > system with k3b. See bug 1583845. I have
On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 16:10 -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
> Consider cost please. DVDs are a few cents each. From what I've seen 16
> Gb is the smallest thumb drive available now and they are fading fast.
> Even in lot quantity they are between $6 an d $10 each.
>
> I know they can be
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 05:13:42PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 9/20/18 5:05 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:48:25PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM
On 9/20/18 5:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:46:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I suppose I can read up how to make a 'LiveCD' on usb, and see if it boots!
Please try the Fedora Media Writer tool.
Will.
That is something else you would have to change to
On 9/20/18 1:35 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:23:03PM -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
USB media and need CD/DVD emulation over USB to work. I don't think
the time is yet ripe to jettison
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:06 PM Fred Smith
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:42:13PM +0200, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
> >I keep an optical driver in a box under the desk, it might be useful
> >someday.
> >I haven't used it for years. So yeah, it's time to clean the box
>
> So,
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:46:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I suppose I can read up how to make a 'LiveCD' on usb, and see if it boots!
Please try the Fedora Media Writer tool.
> That is something else you would have to change to 'LiveUSB'.
We've called our images just "Live" since...
On 9/20/18 5:05 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:48:25PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:42:13PM +0200, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
>I keep an optical driver in a box under the desk, it might be useful
>someday.
>I haven't used it for years. So yeah, it's time to clean the box
So, does this mean the images can can no longer be made to boot from
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:48:25PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > > Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
> > > boot USB media natively.
On 9/20/18 4:53 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/20/18 1:48 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
boot USB media natively.
On 9/20/18 1:50 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
That is what I meant about installing from CD. I take the ISO image and
burn it to CD. If that is what is proposed to still be included, then I
can work with it.
This is only about testing, no changes to the release artifacts in any
way. You
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:42:50PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >>I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
> >>system with k3b. See bug 1583845. I have to use my F24 old system.
> >>Can't burn DVDs
On 9/20/18 4:45 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/20/18 1:40 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
I'm not sure what FUD you've read to believe that, but flash drives
from reputable brands are very hard and last more than a few times
writing to them.
That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance
On 9/20/18 1:48 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
boot USB media natively. They can boot some USB-based and most
Matthew Miller composed on 2018-09-20 14:16 (UTC-0400):
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> Justification:
>> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
> More seriously: I don't think there are any
On 9/20/18 4:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/20/18 1:29 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:59 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still
rip
CDs and
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>> +1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
>> CDs and DVDs ;-)
>
> There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
> USB media and need CD/DVD
On 9/20/18 4:34 PM, Anderson, Charles R wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
boot USB media natively. They can boot some USB-based and most IDE-based
CD/DVD drives. I'd love to replace them
On 9/20/18 4:30 PM, Alessio Ciregia wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 10:26 PM Matthew Miller
mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
> system with
On 9/20/18 1:40 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
I'm not sure what FUD you've read to believe that, but flash drives from
reputable brands are very hard and last more than a few times writing to
them.
That is true, but there is also a reasonable chance or losing them,
breaking them, or other
On 9/20/18 4:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
system with k3b. See bug 1583845. I have to use my F24 old system.
Can't burn DVDs (for backups of video lectures)
On 9/20/18 1:29 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:59 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
CDs and DVDs ;-)
There are still some systems
On 9/20/18 4:23 PM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
On 9/20/18 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:30:19PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
CDs and DVDs ;-)
There are still some systems out there that won't
On 9/20/18 3:23 PM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
We buy used, manufacturer refurbished PCs for the most part to keep costs down.
They are generally 5 years old when purchased and they get used for another 5 or
more years. They run Fedora and the applications we use just fine. So now it
sounds
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:23:03PM -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
> >>There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
> >>USB media and need CD/DVD emulation over USB to work. I don't think
> >>the time is yet ripe to jettison optical media. Soon, but not just yet.
> >How
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Some of these beasties are of, well, "older" vintage and are unable to
> boot USB media natively. They can boot some USB-based and most IDE-based
> CD/DVD drives. I'd love to replace them with newer systems but am unable
> to unless
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 10:26 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
> > system with k3b. See bug 1583845. I have to use my F24 old system.
> > Can't burn DVDs (for backups
On 9/20/18 12:59 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 9/20/18 12:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>>> +1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
>>> CDs and DVDs ;-)
>>
>> There are still some systems out there that won't boot off
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:17:52PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
> system with k3b. See bug 1583845. I have to use my F24 old system.
> Can't burn DVDs (for backups of video lectures) either.
Burning DVDs is a completely
On 9/20/18 4:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:30:19PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
CDs and DVDs ;-)
There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
USB media and need CD/DVD emulation
On 9/20/18 1:49 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Justification:
http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
I installed F28 with a netinstall CD.
I burn CDs regularly for my wife. I cannot do this on my F28 Xfce
system with k3b. See
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 04:01:40PM -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
> >More seriously: I don't think there are any systems in the audiences
> >targeted by our release-blocking deliverables which are not better served
> >by booting from USB media.
> I maintain a group of PCs. I like to always
On 9/20/18 1:01 PM, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
I maintain a group of PCs. I like to always leave a copy of the install
media with each PC in case it's needed. DVDs are very much cheaper than
thumb drives. Please don't make me spend my budget when there is no need
to.
There is nothing
Consider cost please. DVDs are a few cents each. From what I've seen 16
Gb is the smallest thumb drive available now and they are fading fast.
Even in lot quantity they are between $6 an d $10 each.
I know they can be reused a few times before they start having retention
problems, but there
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:30:19PM +, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > +1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
> > CDs and DVDs ;-)
> There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
> USB media and need CD/DVD emulation over USB to work. I don't think
>
On 9/20/18 2:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Justification:
http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
More seriously: I don't think there are any systems in the
On 9/20/18 12:30 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
CDs and DVDs ;-)
There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
USB media and need CD/DVD emulation over USB to
On 9/20/18 12:26 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> +1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
> CDs and DVDs ;-)
There are still some systems out there that won't boot off native
USB media and need CD/DVD emulation over USB to work. I don't think
the time is yet ripe
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion for Fedora, but I still rip
CDs and DVDs ;-)
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
>> Justification:
>>
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> Justification:
> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
+1 to dropping the optical media criterion
--
Chris Murphy
___
test
I keep an optical driver in a box under the desk, it might be useful
someday.
I haven't used it for years. So yeah, it's time to clean the box
El jue., 20 sept. 2018 20:26, Richard Shaw escribió:
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:49 PM Matthew Miller
> wrote:
>
>> Justification:
>>
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:49 PM Matthew Miller
wrote:
> Justification:
> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
Ouch, that stings just a little :) But yeah, I have burned an install disk
in years.
Thanks,
Richard
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Justification:
> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/
More seriously: I don't think there are any systems in the audiences
targeted by our release-blocking
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