I bought Sierra Club bags here in Wichita Falls in ? the 1980's I think and
still use the worn stained bags. They have been great bags to carry dirty cave
clothes and even when I moved to hold the last stuff I had to pack. I had some
in the car all the time when I still could drive.
I also have
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
o...@texascavers.com mailing list.
I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at ot-ow...@texascavers.com.
To confirm that you would like
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added to the ot mailing list, please send
an empty reply to this address:
Yes, ot-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com is the correct address, with
ezmlm (mailing list software that I use), ot-h...@texascavers.com will
give you all of the instructions. The help address is given to you
when subscribe, just most people don't read it :)
It looks like you already moved
I did not do caver mommyhood just caver grandmommyhood. I took my 2 year old
granddaughter caving ( the easy day trips from Wichtia Falls) and she went with
me to Colorado Bend at least one time. Umm -she now has 4 children and dang it
I am not able to take them caving.
Congratulations, Kara! That's great news!
I think a lot of the skills are like riding a bike.
You won't forget.
Besides, these projects will be around when you and your boy/girl are
ready to get back into it. Heck, CBSP Project just turned 20!
Plus, there's a lot of babysitters on the surface
Please contact me off list.
or
If someone could get me contact information for him.
Thanks!
--- donarb...@mac.com
Do not listen to Mr Wes. I think you are doing a great job with
something that is very difficult. I think that the setting up of the OT
tex list was a great move and one of the best win/win solutions that
anyone could have come up with. It is so much in keeping with the all
inclusive traditions
Thanks for the support.
Charles
On 1/13/08, Andy Grubbs hays...@centurytel.net wrote:
Do not listen to Mr Wes. I think you are doing a great job with
something that is very difficult. I think that the setting up of the OT
tex list was a great move and one of the best win/win solutions that
I don't need consoling! :-) I'm doing just fine. I'll ask again, why aren't
people saying this on Texascavers?
I respect some of the objectors very much, too, but wish they would get over
themselves for a minute. I don't think the uglyness came from any particular
subject, it came from a FEW
There are always people who complain, that want change, and most aren't
willing to help with it. I probably went off on Wes a bit hard, but it
struck a nerve and I'm having a bad year so far, so I vented a bit. He
deserved it, but probably not as harsh as I did it.
Splitting the list is
I wholeheartedly agree with your first sentence, Charles.
In all of my years of being involved with Scouting, soccer, softball, caving,
and other volunteer activities, there's never a shortage of critics.
A shortage of doers/volunteers? Always, but never a shortage of folks
criticizing how
Don't worry. Curmudgeoness will drive people away from the main list.
I expect this list to take over in the next few years, especially if
all you ever see are cave reports and flashlight reviews. I'll post
some really boring, multi-part cave reports just to help the process
along.
Simon
and I hope that people also post cave related stuff here, too. I'm interested
in it all!
K
- Original Message
From: Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com
To: o...@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:21:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] [OT] Re: anyone else here yet?
Don't worry.
I know this sounds bad, but we really need to keep this place On-Topic for
the off-topic things, therefore, the caving stuff should really go only to
the main list, texascavers@texascavers.com. I don't want emails being
cross-posted, that will actually split the two lists and it shouldn't be
like
Just to clarify - the lengthy (extra dry) trip reports will go to the
main list. The interesting stuff I'll post here (unless it's
specifically cave related).
Simon
On Jan 15, 2008 1:43 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
I know this sounds bad, but we really need to keep this
Cool
On 1/15/08, Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to clarify - the lengthy (extra dry) trip reports will go to the
main list. The interesting stuff I'll post here (unless it's
specifically cave related).
Simon
On Jan 15, 2008 1:43 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
I just cringed. I'm not going to worry about it terribly much right now. I
think it will all work out.
Kara
- Original Message
From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: Kara Savvas misskarabi...@yahoo.com
Cc: Simon Newton csnew...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday,
I hope someone is keeping the europeans who are thinking of coming
here for the ICS abreast of this. In my experience they are an
irreverent lot who would just as soon discuss canyoneering skiing or
drinking games as stick to the subject of caving. I volunteer to
write a prologue to the
I have posted 19 new threads on the blog below:
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-5_RNwxg1erAi872DBDvnj4.c5c_D8Q--?cq=1
David Locklear
P.S. This is intended to be a supplement and not a replacement for the things
I want to post about. Blogging appears to have several advantages
and several
yes indeed, and since George is presumably an intelligent man, one
can only assume they were written with a sublime sense of irony as
telling people what is appropriate to post is not as a matter of fact
an appropriate cave related posting.
Nancy author of 2 of the 3 actual caving posts in
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GIVE IT A REST.
On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Nancy Weaver wrote:
yes indeed, and since George is presumably an intelligent man, one
can only assume they were written with a sublime sense of irony as
telling people what is appropriate to post is not as a matter of
fact an appropriate cave
I hold George Veni in high esteem but do love irreverence to all things.
Anything mentioning George is caving related.
Don't taise me bro!
F
_
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] George Veni
These are the sorts of useless e-mails that bug me. I call them the quips.
Bill
Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
I hold George Veni in high esteem but do love irreverence to all things.
Anything mentioning George is caving related.
Don't taise me bro!
F
I have a sort of strange request for Texas Cavers and ALL other
cavers. Please send me a picture of your TOYOTA caving vehicle, any
year any condition, preferably in caving trip action attire, but any
shot would do.
These will not be published (unless it warrants it for the Caver), Its
a
You should have been there at the last Robber Baron work day.
There was this line of about 5 Toyota Tacomas (owned by cavers/volunteers)
parked right beside the Robber Baron park.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:09:46 -0600 donarb...@mac.com wrote:
I have a sort of strange request for Texas Cavers
Should this also include caving vehicles that are not running? In my yard
are two choice Toyota's - a Landcruiser with a broken Chevy V-8 engine and
Bev Shade's old Toyota w/lift kit and red fiberglass camper shell.
-WaV
On Jan 15, 2008 11:09 AM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote:
I have a
Divisive to
say the least! This is like a political party schism. The attempt to purge the
unwanted instigators will only weaken the group as a whole and create more
animosity on the part of the fence sitters who stayed out of the argument but
generally support the system. This is a really half
Hold on.
Are we trashing our unpaid volunteers who make Cavetex possible?
Maybe this is a joke and I am missing it.
Maybe we have a new volunteer to take over the duty of being a moderator.
Solutions are not composed of somebody should -- either I volunteer to
help___ or nothing makes more
Wes, this mailing has never been moderated, even long before I volunteered
to host it. Back when Bill Bentley asked for a volunteer to take over it,
I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who did volunteer. I host this list
out of my own pocket, I'm not paid to do it, and it certainly does cost
Charles,
I want to tell you that Wes is young and does not understand the word
volunteer well. But upon thinking about it, I don't think there is any
excuse for his comments.
so let me just say -Many thanks for what you do.
Linda
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Wes, this
Maybe we both are in a bad mood :) I didn't see your posting until I sent mine.
-Original Message-
From: Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net
To: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: 1/15/2008 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers]
one of those mornings -- minor crises just keep taking me out.
anyway, keep up the good work
and I do mean -- Thanks!
I really so appreciate your keeping the forum up.
Linda
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Maybe we both are in a bad mood
:) I didn't see your posting until I sent
Man oh Man...
Good thing I am busy and don't have time to jive in... I agree with
you whole hartedly and those rules were left overs from the
origination of cavetex with Tom White after he set everything up...
One thing I was wondering if you had a link on Texascavers.com to the
archives.
No, Linda, it's not you. On this occasion I think Wes is way off-base.
Leaving aside the not insignificant issues of volunteer labor and financing,
Charles has offered a reasonable solution to the OT posting situation. Those
wanting to chat about topics that are aside from the caving-related
Hi Charles,
Boy, Wes is way out of line. I, personally, think you've shown remarkable
restraint through this whole brouhaha and I commend you for it. You chastized
me once for a political comment and I took that to heart.
You may be interested to know that I found out yesterday from Don
Thanks Louise for the support.
On 1/15/08, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Charles,
Boy, Wes is way out of line. I, personally, think you've shown remarkable
restraint through this whole brouhaha and I commend you for it. You
chastized me once for a political comment and I
Bill, I'm not trying to stoke any fires or stir up any problems, I wanted
you to be aware of this. You made a comment to me the other day in a
private email. I didn't forward or mention it to anyone, I'm guessing that
you have made this comment to someone else and it was then told to Don or
I had to pull the archives down, my software wasn't hashing or hiding the
email addresses properly and someone complained. I tried out the google
group archiving of an external email list, but they have similar problems.
No one has asked for archives, but I do have them in the google groups.
They
Thank you for the support :)
Charles
On 1/15/08, Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
one of those mornings -- minor crises just keep taking me out.
anyway, keep up the good work
and I do mean -- Thanks!
I really so appreciate your keeping the forum up.
Linda
*Charles Goldsmith
Perhaps those individuals who simply want to have wild, broad discussions
about anything and everything would be better served by a separate listserv
but I hardly think they are a large enough group to sustain a separate list.
Consequently they will come back and continue posting OT emails to
O.K. gang quit wasting time, energy and effort on this. Get me a
picture of a Toyota caving Action shot. It's on topic and for the
common good. Ya buncha whiners!!!
-
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To
charles thank you for one of the few reasoned responses to any of
this hoo haa. Good Lord what a bunch of sourpusses we've become. As
the author of two of the three actual caving posts in who knows how
long - I'll be damned if I'm going to let others dictate my posts.
geess the sound
Thanks for your support
Charles
On 1/15/08, Nancy Weaver nan...@io.com wrote:
charles thank you for one of the few reasoned responses to any of
this hoo haa. Good Lord what a bunch of sourpusses we've become. As
the author of two of the three actual caving posts in who knows how
long -
I did tell Don Cooper (who I invited countless times to D/FW Grotto meetings,
caving trips, caver Christmas parties, etc., and he never once came) that I had
come to the point where I was just deleting anything posted by him, Locklear,
Louise Powers, and Fritz Holt. Most of what they posted
And no, I didn't know that Tammy and you separated. Hang in there.
Bill
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
Bill, I'm not trying to stoke any fires or stir up any problems, I wanted
you to be aware of this. You made a comment to me the other day in a
private email. I
Thanks, things are good though, I just need to get back underground.
On 1/15/08, speleoste...@tx.rr.com speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
And no, I didn't know that Tammy and you separated. Hang in there.
Bill
Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
Bill, I'm not trying to stoke
Like almost all aspects of this entire group you have the ones who work and the
ones who complain about the way the job is done. I have a delete button just
like everyone else and I use it quite a bit. Just how many people subscribe to
cavetex??? How many people write stuff on cavetex (not
Get out your calendars.
There will be no Government Canyon Karst Project scheduled for January or
February. The next scheduled weekend for the project is March 15th and 16th.
I will send a reminder when we get closer to that date.
-Marvin Miller
It's a ten minute video.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/975366/secrets_of_google_earth/
Simon
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I wonder ... ???
Given this list is populated by only the texasCaver list members who don't
want to hear about anything other than rocks and air (and a little water) in
a particular configuration,
What is the correlation between non-ot-list cavers and cavers who don't want
attachments on their
I have no problem with them, RD.
I think the only ones who had a problem were those with dial-up.
(Does anyone still have this!?)
Mark
From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net]
Sent: Tue 1/15/2008 10:17 AM
To: List: OT-TexasCavers
Subject:
Mixon still does and he also has the old Tandy TRS -80 and 300 baud
modem too...
:)
Bill
Quoting mark.al...@l-3com.com:
I have no problem with them, RD.
I think the only ones who had a problem were those with dial-up.
(Does anyone still have this!?)
Mark
Howdy RD, I'd rather not have them, it would drive the bandwidth way up. It
would be better for everyone to just have links. If its something that isnt
online and you need it hosted, email it to me privately.
Charles
-Original Message-
From: RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@charter.net
To:
I think we had photos attached just this last week on one of the cave lists.
Quinta
Yes we did, Bill Bentley did, the server allows attachments, but the whole
email is limited in size, that keeps people from posting VERY large emails
with just text. The message size is limited to 30KB, that includes all text
(including headers) and any attachments. The problem with attachments
'Its okay with me.
The only trouble I might see is taking up too much space on the server.
-WaVy
On Jan 15, 2008 10:17 AM, RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@charter.net wrote:
I wonder ... ???
Given this list is populated by only the texasCaver list members who don't
want to hear about anything other
I love attachments especially photos.
I agree with Alex, TexasCavers is the best. How I miss all of ya'll back in
Texas.
smiling in Seattle, Cindy Lee
On Jan 15, 2008 8:17 AM, RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@charter.net wrote:
I wonder ... ???
Given this list is populated by only the texasCaver list
Charles,
I like the post content of the list just as it is, with few exceptions.
I have not requested to be put on the OT list as I spend too much time
on this one as it is. I will probably be much more silent by staying on
topic, which may be a little difficult. I mostly enjoy commenting or
Thank you the support Fritz and I personally enjoy your wit on the mailing
list, please do join the OT, just when you have a OT reply to something from
the cavetex list, send it to the OT for us to enjoy :)
Charles
On 1/15/08, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
Charles,
I like
Charles,
I didn't need much encouragement, so how do I get signed up for the OT
list? I would hate to miss out on a few jabs at some of Locklear's and
other's posts. I would hope that you could do it for me as I am not to
adept on this new-fangled thing called a computer and my wife say's that
I
Not a problem Fritz, you are now added, send emails to o...@texascavers.com
On 1/15/08, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
Charles,
I didn't need much encouragement, so how do I get signed up for the OT
list? I would hate to miss out on a few jabs at some of Locklear's and
Don,
Can't you spell? They are winers. Oops, I'm not on the OT list yet.
F
-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:16 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OTtex vs. Cavetex
O.K. gang quit wasting time, energy and effort
Thanks, Charles.
_
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:21 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OTtex vs. Cavetex
Not a problem Fritz, you are now added, send emails to
o...@texascavers.com
On 1/15/08, Fritz Holt
Thank you Mark, the outpouring of thanks I've received today was very nice.
Speaking of the TexasCaver and a thankless job of the editor, great job on
the newsletters, I enjoy them immensely and need to renew my membership.
I'll ask on here, because I know its been a touchy subject on the main
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