[Texascavers] Re: [texascavers] speleothem dating

2008-01-25 Thread Simon Newton
Bill- My understanding with dating speleothems is that they are matching curves of U-Th isotopic ratios (my guess would be that they are using ICP-MS analysis for everything these days). It's been a few years, but my experience seeing one of my grad school friends trying to match deepwater coral

[Texascavers] Update friday 25/1000hrs

2008-01-25 Thread Antonio Aguirre Alvarez
At 1000 the situation is: There are still two groups rigging the cave that is almost done. They are going to rest now until 1300, when Arthur stretcher will start to move. / He is helping by himself in some complicated areas (meanders). /Outside, there´s always another rescue team from ERM in

[Texascavers] RE: Update friday 25/1000hrs

2008-01-25 Thread Minton, Mark
And here is a bit more along the same lines: Re: Mexico cave accident More from Richard Grebeude (a brief translation) from earlier today: Arthur is now in the good (and pretty) care of a (female) doctor who is with him. The 80-meter pit at around -250 meters, at the bottom of which

[Texascavers] cave rescue 101

2008-01-25 Thread David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Bats in the news

2008-01-25 Thread David Locklear
This is not cave related, and maybe not even Texas related. http://www.local6.com/news/15135585/detail.html Bats living under bridge in Florida. Re-construction plans post-poned until after August, so Bats can do their maternity thing. David Locklear

[Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

2008-01-25 Thread Gill Ediger
At 02:40 PM 1/23/2008, Geary Schindel wrote: Regarding your comment about whether speleothems should be removed for use in scientific interest. Well that depends – most scientists are very responsible about the removal of speleothems and would not recommend that prominent formations be

Re: [Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

2008-01-25 Thread Karen Perry
Gill is always so elegant in his wording. I appreciate his perspective here. And as usual, he is right. When I started the Mirror Lake Restoration Project at CCNP, we all (Dale, Tom, me) thought it would a quick easy. That was until I did my first test patch in Oct. 2005. Now, if I get a 3

RE: [Texascavers] Damaging Formations on Caving Show

2008-01-25 Thread Fritz Holt
Karen, As one who believes in conservation, I guess the only way to keep caves truly pristine is for no one to enter them. However, I don't believe in this approach. If no one entered them they would be of no use to scientist or to the multitudes who visit them for their beauty, entertainment and

[Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Mixon Bill
Here's something to keep you awake tonight. It is from page 44 of Guangxi 2005, an expediiton report published last May in Britain. Please, don't anybody mine this for wine-making tips.-- Mixon + TNT HORROR - YU LONG DONG EXPOSED By Emma Porter Yu Long Dong, or

RE: [Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
So I suggest that since the caves here are being 'stripped' of formations by scientists doing climate research, we should join the merry throngs importing all-and-sundry from China and get replacement stal from there too. :-) Stefan -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any

RE: [Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Fritz Holt
Stefan, This won't be necessary. We just need to have the legislature pass a law requiring that all of these stripped formations come with information of exactly where they came from so that we could buy them back and reattach them. :-) Fritz -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser

[Texascavers] Mexico caves in the news

2008-01-25 Thread David Locklear
A cave called la Cueva de San Felipe en Puxcatán near the village of Tacotalpa in the state of Tabasco recently made the news. Archeaologist have found the remains of at least 10 people buried in the cave in some sort of ritual manner. The article indicated the site was at least several

[Texascavers] more Spanish rescue news

2008-01-25 Thread David Locklear
http://www.terra.com.mx/articulo.aspx?articuloId=545844 Note they alledge that 6 French cavers were rescued, and not just one. The article also claims the cave is near the village of Eloxochitlan. I have been to a village with that name in the area, but I thought it was in Oaxaca. Either

[Texascavers] Mexico cave rescue update

2008-01-25 Thread David Locklear
Here is one version of the story from a journalist in Mexico: ( from Yahoo News in Spanish ) [ I think this is the same story ] I don't see any mention of Belgium and they are calling the cave Cuausxpan. Note they don't use the term spelunkero in Spanish, but instead espeleologo. Las

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico cave rescue update

2008-01-25 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Can someone translate for those of us who are linguistic ignorant please :) Charles On 1/25/08, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Here is one version of the story from a journalist in Mexico: ( from Yahoo News in Spanish ) [ I think this is the same story ] I don't see any

[Texascavers] RE: Mexico cave rescue update

2008-01-25 Thread Minton, Mark
David Locklear said: I don't see any mention of Belgium Note they alledge that 6 French cavers were rescued, and not just one. Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve that because they speak French, people think they are from France. The victim, and at least

[Texascavers] update

2008-01-25 Thread Gill Ediger
At 08:40 PM 1/25/2008, Minton, Mark wrote: Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve that because they speak French, people think they are from France. The victim, and at least some if not all of the other team members are Belgian, not French. I hope they never

RE: [Texascavers] update

2008-01-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
-Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] At 08:40 PM 1/25/2008, Minton, Mark wrote: Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve that because they speak French, people think they are from France. The victim, and at least

[Texascavers] White Nose Death Fungus in bats

2008-01-25 Thread CaverArch
FYI without copying the lengthy posts, word is spreading on TagNet about a deadly (and chillingly descriptively named) fungal infection affecting bat populations in the Northeast. It appears not to have broken out in the Southeast at this point. Roger Moore GHG