Re: [ot_caving] crime in the city

2008-06-21 Thread Don Cooper
Tragically funny - the statement about the world in the future being a grim place for my children and my children's children is almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. If more people were truly serious about reducing their footprint - they'd be committed to having no footprints following their

[Texascavers] Drinking in Hot Weather

2008-06-21 Thread wpick
Hello All I saw this on another list server The Grand Canyon Rangers have been learning first hand the effects of simply drinking water in heat. They recommend eating with fluids. Here's an excerpt from: http://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/hike-smart.htm Drink and Eat Often YOU SWEAT

[Texascavers] Omitted Participants from the Honey Creek Project Report in latest Texas Caver

2008-06-21 Thread Mark Alman
All, it has been brought to my attention that I omitted quite a few cavers from Bill Steele's excellent article on the Honey Creek Work Project that was held on April 11th thru the 13th. There was an exellent turnout for this and a LOT of work and exploration was accomplished. There work and

Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread quinta
Fritz, My complaint is that we started after many and did not devote enough government resources to it. Most of Europe did. Even Spain was ahead of us at one time and still is I think. We lost sight of the OPEC oil problem in a hurry. There is a new company in Idaho? (if my memory is right)

Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread Nico Escamilla
KWh:kilowatt hour or 103 W·h MWh: megawatt hour or 106 W·h GWh: gigawatt hour or 109 W·h TWh: TeraWatt hour or 1012 W·h On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 6:56 AM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote: Fritz, My complaint is that we started after many and did not devote enough government resources to it. Most of

RE: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread Louise Power
From what I hear, one of the really big problems in the US is that no new refineries have been built here in 30 years. What's up with that? Answer: NIMBY. Even if we get more oil, what are we going to do with it? Also, think oil shale and oil sands. I hear that they're doing some imaginative

Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread Don Cooper
Here's an idea: What about turning all of that electricity generated by a wind turbine into hydrogen? Right there in the wind turbine itself. Using water and electrolysis. If hydrogen truly is going to be the portable energy source (for fuel cells) would it not make the most sense to produce the

Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread quinta
'no new refineries have' I think that was what the big deal was when they lost one in Rita. Not enough capacity.

RE: [ot_caving] an option to drilling

2008-06-21 Thread Louise Power
I keep hearing that it's more expensive to make hydrogen than the amount you would save. How does your suggestion jibe with that? Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:48:10 -0500 From: wavyca...@gmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: qui...@clearwire.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com;