I keep hearing that it's more expensive to make hydrogen than the amount you
would save. How does your suggestion jibe with that?> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008
15:48:10 -0500> From: wavyca...@gmail.com> To: power_lou...@hotmail.com> CC:
qui...@clearwire.net; fh...@townandcountryins.com; o...@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling> > Here's an idea:> What about
turning all of that electricity generated by a wind turbine> into hydrogen?>
Right there in the wind turbine itself. Using water and electrolysis.> If
hydrogen truly is going to be the portable energy source (for fuel> cells)
would it not make the most sense to produce the hydrogen at the> source rather
than losing electrical energy as it is transmitted> through transmission lines?
(Producing massive amounts of hydrogen> would probably also be a great idea at
the site of nuclear reactors.> Free oxygen released into the atmosphere would
probably not hurt> either!)> The concept is already in play. One interesting
obstacle is what> occurs when metals are exposed to hydrogen. I think the
process is> called "hydrogenation" and it makes metal brittle and weak. But>
isolated from the tower by an isolating layer of plastic, the large> mast that
makes the big wind turbine tower becomes a nice storage tank> for compressed
hydrogen.> Compressing the metal tube from within would actually make the mast>
stronger - but only up to the point that the stress might make the> tower
stressed - but otherwise would make the tubular mast stiffer.> > On 6/21/08,
Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > From what I hear, one of
the really big problems in the US is that no new> > refineries have been built
here in 30 years. What's up with that? Answer:> > NIMBY. Even if we get more
oil, what are we going to do with it?> >> > Also, think oil shale and oil
sands. I hear that they're doing some> > imaginative things with oil shale,
such as heating it while it's still in> > the ground and then pumping from
there rather than excavating huge holes in> > the ground.. Also, apparently
Canada is right on top of the oil sands> > business.> >> >> > From:
quinta@clearwire.netTo: power_lou...@hotmail.com;> >
fh...@townandcountryins.com; ot@texascavers.comDate: Sat, 21 Jun 2008> >
06:56:29 -0500Subject: Re: [ot_caving] an option to drilling> >> >> >> >
Fritz,> > My complaint is that we started after many and did not devote enough>
> government resources to it. Most of Europe did. Even Spain was ahead of us> >
at one time and still is I think. We lost sight of the OPEC oil problem in a> >
hurry. There is a new company in Idaho? (if my memory is right) that is from> >
Spain and is building turbins. I think it opened in the last year. We are> >
behind on a lot of this. The states that are doing well are the ones with> >
state incentives. There was a new Senate hearing on this sort of thing -> >
ummm!> >> > This is from the BWEA in the UK.> >> > It is clear to see how much
wind energy has taken off in some countries,> > notably Denmark, Germany and
Spain, the first of which now gets 20% of it's> > electricity from wind
turbines, compared to our 1%. However, the UK has the> > largest wind energy
resources of any country in Europe, and now that the> > European market's
economies of scale have driven the price of wind energy> > down, the UK is set
for a massive expansion of clean energy.> > For more information about wind
energy in Europe read this report> > commissioned by the European Union in
2004. Also visit www.ewea.org our> > European sister organisation.> > They
speak in terms of TWh - I need to look up what that is past MW.> > The
exploitable onshore wind resource for the EU-25 is> > conservatively estimated
at 600 TWh and the offshore> > wind resource up to 3,000 TWh; the upper end of
this far> > exceeding the EU-15's entire electricity consumption.> > The
European Wind Atlas produced by the Danish national> > research laboratory,
Forskningscenter Risø, gives a> > good overview of the EU potential. An
offshore version is> > also available.> >
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