[Texascavers] Swimming, Tubing, and canoeing at the Florida convention

2008-07-16 Thread BMorgan994
Every day for the last month it has been raining. I love it! But that means the water is up in what few caves we have to offer, so you might as well accept it and plan to get wet! As you know, Alan Cressler and company plan a pre-convention camp in Marianna. If you go I highly recommend

[Texascavers] AMCS books at UT Grotto meeting

2008-07-16 Thread Mixon Bill
I'll have copies of the new AMCS Activities Newsletter at the grotto meeting tonight for $14 softbound, $24 hardbound. Also, we've just reprinted AMCS Bulletin 10, Caves of the Golondrinas Area, using a new printer that has substantially reduced the cost of printing. So the new edition,

[Texascavers] caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread David
The New York Times published an interview today with Mr. Zana Qasim Haider He indicated he is the only caver in Iraq. He says there are 1,000 caves in the Kurdish region. He also indicated in the article that some of the bigger ones were near the tourist areas of Kurdish region. The

Re: [Texascavers] caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread Brian Riordan
Two enormous bats.? Two enormous SPECIES or two ancient, cycolpean individuals I'm crossing my fingers for the latter. About the caves: this doesn't surprise me- I have long been under the impression that anywhere the US goes to war, the ground is riddled with caves (Afghanistan, Iraq,

[Texascavers] RE: caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread Minton, Mark
David Locklear posted: Mr. Zana Qasim Haider He indicated he is the only caver in Iraq. Does that mean he does all of his caving solo? Who would rescue him in the event of an acident? ;-) Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] RE: caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread John Brooks
On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: David Locklear posted: Mr. Zana Qasim Haider He indicated he is the only caver in Iraq. Does that mean he does all of his caving solo? Who would rescue him in the event of an acident? ;-) We could send in the

Re: [Texascavers] RE: caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread CWAN
I believe Tom Brown is in Iraq. I wonder if he ever gets up to that area. Mike Burrell On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: David Locklear posted: Mr. Zana Qasim Haider He indicated he is the only caver in Iraq. Does that mean he does all of his

Re: [Texascavers] RE: caving in northeastern Iraq?

2008-07-16 Thread Nigel Dyson-Hudson
I wonder if he has access to lots of instant cave? Why go to the trouble of finding new caves - just make them with passages big enough to drive a truck through to boot! NigelDo not meddle in the affairs of dragons because you are crunchy and taste good with Dinosaur BBQ barbecue sauce. You wrote

[ot_caving] OT - new Mars topography photos

2008-07-16 Thread David
Newly released photos ( taken in 2005 ) show Mars to have canyons that resemble canyons on earth that have water in them. A handful of scientist claim the universe is less than 5,000 years old. How do they explain these water formed canyons on Mars? Did Noah's flood cause this canyon? If

[Texascavers] CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread CWAN
Does anyone in the Texas caving world recall a time when Cave Without a Name was accessed by a ladder? I,ve been having a very confusing conversation with a woman who remembers visiting here in 1995 and going down a ladder to see the cave. I have video tapes of Eugene giving the tour in 1993 and

RE: [Texascavers] CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread Butch Fralia
My first CWAN tour was in April, 1985 with my daughter. The stairway was there then. I remember hearing about the cave from Mrs. Bridges at Cascade Caverns. We drove out into the country, and kept seeing signs to the cave on the then dirt road. The first sign said something like cave 1/2 mile.

Re: [Texascavers] CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread Don Arburn
I was there around 1976. Stairs. Don Arburn On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Butch Fralia bfra...@maverickgrotto.org wrote: My first CWAN tour was in April, 1985 with my daughter. The stairway was there then. I remember hearing about the cave from Mrs. Bridges at Cascade Caverns. We

RE: [Texascavers] CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread George Veni
Mike, I suspect she is very confused. I've been visiting the cave for 32 years and have never seen or heard of it accessed with a ladder. I made several trips in 1995 and the years on either side. There is no mention anywhere in the TSS files of a ladder being used to enter the cave. Eugene never

RE: [Texascavers] CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread George Veni
The cave was surveyed by Ernst Kastning in 1974-1975. The stairs were there and are shown on that map. I'm not at home at the moment to double-check the TSS file on the cave, and the exact date of the stairway's construction may not be in there. However, I understand the entrance pit was widened

[Texascavers] 2 CWAN ladder?

2008-07-16 Thread Gill Ediger
At 12:45 PM 7/16/2008, c...@boernenet.com wrote: Does anyone in the Texas caving world recall a time when Cave Without a Name was accessed by a ladder? I,ve been having a very confusing conversation with a woman who remembers visiting here in 1995 and going down a ladder to see the cave.

Re: [Texascavers] caves of Iraq Iran

2008-07-16 Thread CaverArch
Ah, an Iranian cave book. That reminds me of one of the classic titles on the Florida Speleological Society library: Blind White Fish in Persia, which was really about artificial underground aqueducts called quanats, and whether these ca 2000-year old channels had existed long enough to allow

so just resend them Re: I also have e-mails archived Re: [Texascavers] archives and help requested

2008-07-16 Thread Nigel Dyson-Hudson
Charlie, Just resend them? I use Barca as my e-mail program and I may be able to bounce messages without any extra formatting. You wrote on: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:48:37 -0500 From: Charles Goldsmith e-mail: wo...@justfamily.org Thank you Nigel, I have about the same, however, Google groups won't

Re: so just resend them Re: I also have e-mails archived Re: [Texascavers] archives and help requested

2008-07-16 Thread Charles Goldsmith
I could, but it would go to the list as well, and I'm sure the users wouldn't like thousands of additional emails flowing through, plus sender and date would be wrong in the headers. Not ideal for a true archive. Thanks though On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Nigel Dyson-Hudson n...@cavesar.com

[Texascavers] Blind White Fish in Persia

2008-07-16 Thread Mixon Bill
That Blind White Fish is Persia is a classic travel yarn, from back in the days when British college students could drive to Iran through Beirut, Damascus, and Bagdad fearing nothing but truck breakdowns. It was first published in 1953; there are 1966 and 1990 editions and maybe others. An

Re: [Texascavers] Blind White Fish in Persia

2008-07-16 Thread CaverArch
Yes, I remembered Blind White Fish as an enjoyable read at the time (when it was already nearly 20 years old). My Major Professor at Rice, Frank Hole, was very familiar with the book and if I remember correctly, he met the students while he was doing archeological field work in Iran. Roger

[ot_caving] world opinion - capital punishment

2008-07-16 Thread David
The World Court is at it again. They now want the U.S. to stop executing foreigners. It is my opinion, that some of the country's that oppose capital punishment are very hypocritical. For example, in latin america, many of the governments ( especially those with religious influences ) are

[ot_caving] Re: world opinion - capital punishment

2008-07-16 Thread Alex Sproul
I believe we need to find the bad people in the world and do everything we possibly can to prevent them from hurting people and we need to do it in a cost effective manner. There's no more cost-effective method than a bullet. And the Supreme Court has just validated that

RE: [ot_caving] Re: world opinion - capital punishment

2008-07-16 Thread Fritz Holt
If it weren't for the gasoline and travel time, a more cost effective means would be to bind them tightly and throw them into heavily shark infested waters, thereby eliminating the need to dispose of the body. Fritz From: Alex Sproul

[Texascavers] caves of Iraq

2008-07-16 Thread Mixon Bill
That publication from Berlin is not really a survey of the caves of Iraq, but just an expedition report on a Kurdish-German caving project in part of the Kurdish area in northeastern Iraq in 2007 (the only part of the country where it might be sensible to go caving these days). It is

Re: [Texascavers] caves of Iraq

2008-07-16 Thread Ted Samsel
I can't recall the name of the book, (but I recommended it to Larue,) on travel in Iranian Kurdistan with some stuff on caves there I think in the Zagros Mtns.. lots of caves, some (I seem to recall) with Neanderthal sites. (Also early agricultural/emmer wheat sites). T -Original