Re: [Texascavers] caves of Iraq

2008-07-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
Ted recommended to me _Mirrors of the Unseen_ by Jason Elliot. This got into some caves in Iranian Kurdistan, but I don't recall lots of caves. The entire book is exceptional and the cave part is very interesting. The other book Ted recommended is about walking across Afghanistan so I'm

[ot_caving] politics - the Iraq War

2008-07-17 Thread David
It seems like every day there is something in the news about Iraq. One reason I am so tired of hearing about it, is that you can't believe a word of anything anybody is saying. It is either misinformation designed to confuse the so-called insurgents, or is designed to get Al Qaida angry.

[ot_caving] Whitehouse comments got to junk mail!

2008-07-17 Thread quinta
Yes, I comment to Senators and more. The latest Whitehouse comment reply went to my junk mail! LOL Quinta

[ot_caving] Something to think about in an election year

2008-07-17 Thread Louise Power
A Montana cowboy was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards him. The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and YSL tie, leans out the window and asks the cowboy, If I tell you exactly

[ot_caving] child rearing question

2008-07-17 Thread David
Should a parent of a young toddler buy them the new Barbie dressed in clothes that encourages kinky sex with black leather and whips? http://jezebel.com/assets/images/jezebel/2008/07/blackcanarydoll041608.jpghttp://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/16/bdsm-black-canary-ba.html Of course not. I

[Texascavers] caves in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread Mixon Bill
Another very readable classic about caves (a popular account of cave archaeology, anyway) in the Middle East is Carlton Coon's Seven Caves. Apparently no longer in print (at least at Amazon), although numerous used copies on offer. -- Mixon -- You

Re: [Texascavers] caves in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread CaverArch
Coon also used his profession as a caver and wrote about it in The Anthropologist as OSS Agent, of which Wiki says This last book was an account of his work during World War II, which involved espionage and the smuggling of arms to French resistance groups in German-occupied Morocco under the

Re: [Texascavers] caves in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread CaverArch
In a message dated 07/17/08 15:13:23 Central Daylight Time, CaverArch writes: Coon also used his profession as a caver Dang it, what a typo! It's supposed to be COVER, not CAVER. Roger

RE: [Texascavers] caves in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread Louise Power
The magazine Archaeology ran an article a few years ago about the CIA, OSS and other spy shops approaching archaeologists who were working in sensitive areas during WWII (think North Africa, etc) to report any goings on--like troup movements, etc. Some did, some didn't. Apparently some

[Texascavers] NSS Convention gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread David
This post is only for people travelling thru southern Louisiana on the way to the NSS Convention in Florida. At the present time, it appears gas prices are cheapest in Gulport, Mississippi, at around $ 3.85 Also, on the east side of Baton Rouge and it suburbs along the I-12 route have gas

[Texascavers] OT - video clip

2008-07-17 Thread David
Here is a short interesting video clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVrQTGPrt5A It is a 19 second animated clip of an alien in a cave who is eaten by a creature camoflauged as a rock formation. I give it an A for originality and would like to see more of the clip if there is any. Is this

RE: [Texascavers] OT - video clip

2008-07-17 Thread Louise Power
Since my work computer won't let me bring this up (Webwasher says its r rated), I can't take a look at it here, so tell me, are you sure it's a creature camouflaged as a rock or is it The Horta from the old Star Trek series (think, Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer or something like

[Texascavers] Ancient oil paintings in a cave in Afghanistan...

2008-07-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7508917.stm -- Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com ARM Inc.Phone: (512)314-1012 Austin, Tx http://www.arm.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any

Re: [Texascavers] Ancient oil paintings in a cave in Afghanistan...

2008-07-17 Thread CaverArch
These paintings are supposed to be on BBC World News America this evening, at least on the BBC America chennels version. It may be on the shorter PBS edition, as well. Anglophile to my muddy boots, Roger Moore In a message dated 07/17/08 15:49:48 Central Daylight Time,

[ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread Alex Sproul
ANYTHING THAT FLOATS COMPETITION It´s OTR´s Year-of-the-Pirate!!! In keeping with the spirit of piracy, OTR 2008 will feature a new competition called Anything that Floats - a race on the high seas, or the Tygart, whichever is closer. Blackjack Tobias Robertson invites all

RE: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread mark . alman
Allan, This sounds like a great event for TCR! We have some great water, an excellent waterfront to view the festivities, and plenty of creative types to pull off something like this. Not to mention the abundant supply of scoundrels, rascals, wenches, and other nefarious types we have in the

RE: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
Mark, Transporting might be troublesome but worth the effort for the fun and laughs. I might participate. The only rule change (for the younger studs) should be that kidnapping the women should be permitted. After all, any pirate worth his salt should be able to collect this booty (that's

RE: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread mark . alman
Agreed, Fritz. If we did this, we may have to rename it. Don't want any copyright infringement problems with OTR. Redneck Regatta might work. Any other ideas/comments? Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008

RE: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
Maybe Medina Mayhem but I like yours better. I am sure that other suggestions that will float will surface. Fritz -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:27 AM To: Fritz Holt; imoca...@comcast.net;

RE: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread Louise Power
Just a reminder, September 19 is International Talk Like a Pirate Day. http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ Avast From: imoca...@comcast.net To: tag-...@hiddenworld.net; o...@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:53:30 -0400 Subject: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

Re: [ot_caving] Anything that Floats competition at OTR

2008-07-17 Thread Don Cooper
I'm DEFINITELY stocking up on AA rated movies! -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Just a reminder, September 19 is International Talk Like a Pirate Day. http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ Avast From: imoca...@comcast.net To:

[ot_caving] The Drug War

2008-07-17 Thread David
In the news today, another Columbian submarine was captured allegedly containing drugs. What does this tell you about how desparate Americans are to snort hallucinogens up their noses? I wonder if this same submarine has been captured before? What happened to the 8 or so others? Where

Re: [ot_caving] The Drug War

2008-07-17 Thread Scott Nicholson
I 'm less interested in the submarine than I am about hallucinogens that are snorted up ones nose. :-)  Scott Nicholson Broker/Waterboy Discovery Realty Group 512-947-2688 KW Commercial www.DiscoveryAustin.com - Original Message From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com To:

Re: [ot_caving] The Drug War

2008-07-17 Thread Don Cooper
I'm less interested in the lost cause of the drug war and just HAVE to know what kind of drugs David Locklear is on?? -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Scott Nicholson csnichol...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I 'm less interested in the submarine than I am about hallucinogens that are snorted up

[NMCAVER] Helmet Cam

2008-07-17 Thread Minton, Mark
Now you can get a good deal on a waterproof helmet camera to record all of your caving and other exploits. Mountain Gear has one on sale for only $100.

Re: [Texascavers] Helmet Cam

2008-07-17 Thread Matt Turner
Yeah we've had a few people bring these on our beginner trips and normally all you really get is a low quality video of hands and dirt. They only capture well where your head lamp is pointed and only then if it's decently bright. Truthfully though as with most things it probably just takes some

Re: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Joe Ranzau
The Chevron in Comfort Texas near the site of next year's ICS has gas for a whopping $3.83, by far the cheapest I have seen in this neck of the woods! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: This post is only for people travelling thru southern Louisiana on the way

RE: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Louise Power
And yet here in Southwest Oregon, we haven't seen $3.00 gas in a coon's age (however old they get). Today the lowest is at Costco (where else?) at $4.239/gal; the highest at Chevron at $4.399/gal. Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!!

RE: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
I'll take bets that we never see $2. gas again and if we do , most of us won't have two cents to rub together. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:45 PM To: Joe Ranzau; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject:

Re: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread John Brooks
Oklet me throw a wrench in all the complaining about high oil prices...do you think that oil prices may just be a symptom? It looks to me like the value oil has risen, but certainly not as much as the price of gas. The pain we are all feeling is more likely the result of a devalued dollar

RE: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
John, I concur. I don’t like it but I definitely don’t lay gas prices on the oil companies. My point was that if gas does go back to $2. in our economy, we will have far greater problems than today’s high cost of gasoline. Other than some producing nations that subsidize the cost of gasoline,

Re: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Joe Ranzau
Ok, I'll bite... Fritz, do you know which foreign country is our number on supplier? Joe j...@oztotl.com Sent while mobile On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: John, I concur. I don’t like it but I definitely don’t lay gas price s on the oil

Re: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Joe Ranzau wrote: Ok, I'll bite... Fritz, do you know which foreign country is our number on supplier? Canadia? -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[Texascavers] spies in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread Gill Ediger
At 04:38 PM 7/17/2008, Louise Power wrote: The magazine Archaeology ran an article a few years ago about the CIA, OSS and other spy shops approaching archaeologists who were working in sensitive areas during WWII (think North Africa, etc) to report any goings on--like troup movements, etc.

Re: [Texascavers] spies in the Middle East

2008-07-17 Thread Nico Escamilla
how about Mexico getting all of La Mesilla back? thats New Mexico, Arizona, California and part of Colorado Nico On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: At 04:38 PM 7/17/2008, Louise Power wrote: The magazine Archaeology ran an article a few years ago about

[Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Philip L Moss
Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-17 Thread Don Cooper
No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on