Re: [Texascavers] Helmet Cam

2008-07-18 Thread Alan Blevins
I picked up a Tony Hawk's Helmet Cam about a year ago with the idea that it was cheap enough to risk breaking it in a cave or dropping it in a pool of water. It has survived a handful of caving trips, including a thorough beating against the sides of Robber Baron cave. Here's one for $25:

[Texascavers] books available at party

2008-07-18 Thread Mixon Bill
I will have the following things at the Stricklands' pond party tomorrow. I won't be actively peddling them--it's a party, after all-- but if someone can catch me I can get them out of my car for you. AMCS Activities Newsletter 31 (June 2008) $14 softbound, $24 hardbound AMCS Bulletin 19,

[Texascavers] OT- gas trip topics

2008-07-18 Thread Gill Ediger
At 11:39 AM 7/18/2008, Lyndon Tiu wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:12 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. ... or talk about religion and politics? Actually talk about

[Texascavers] [Fuel, Caving NSS]

2008-07-18 Thread Don Arburn
Anyone want a ride to Convention? Don Arburn - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

[Texascavers] OT- gas consumption

2008-07-18 Thread Gill Ediger
At 11:19 AM 7/18/2008, Geary Schindel wrote: Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? I will reiterate my Hamburger Theory: Back in 1970 a hamburger cost 30 or 35 cents--so did a gallon of gas. Today a hamburger costs 3 dollars or more and so does a gallon of gas. Is the price of gas

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas consumption

2008-07-18 Thread dirtdoc
Yes, Gill. Time to visit Austin school bus again and find a good used diesel shortie. Dirtdoc The return of the SpeleoCamper may be near. --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Joe Ranzau
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html 2008/7/18 Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com: Joe, No, but I would like to. These damned computers don t do what our fingers tell it to. Fritz --

RE: [Texascavers] ICS gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
Actually, from what I hear on the Sunday talking heads shows, the fault lies with futures market speculators--your retirement plan (if you have one) may be one of the bad guys. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:06:42 -0700From: jpbrooks01@sbcglobal.netSubject:

[Texascavers] RE: video clip

2008-07-18 Thread Minton, Mark
Louise, Since my work computer won't let me bring this up (Webwasher says its r rated), I can't take a look at it here, so tell me, are you sure it's a creature camouflaged as a rock or is it The Horta from the old Star Trek series I can't imagine why that video got an R rating.

RE: [Texascavers] RE: video clip

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
Webwasher has a strange way of classifying things. I was trying to look on line a couple of years ago at a cemetery site and it wouldn't let me because it classified it as a dating site. Now that's BIZARRE! It fairly boggles the imagination. I'm not sure what kind of word samples it looks

[Texascavers] spies tambien

2008-07-18 Thread Gill Ediger
At 01:05 PM 7/18/2008, Ted Samsel wrote: Berlandier was Swiss, thus allowing the Swiss to take over Rde14. During and after the Texas revolution Berlandier, having forsaken der Schweitz, lived in Matamoros where he was a naturalist. I think that means he belonged to a nudist camp? He drowned

RE: [Texascavers] spies tambien

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
As opposed to partially dead? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:38:07 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: gi...@worldnet.att.net Subject: [Texascavers] spies tambien At 01:05 PM 7/18/2008, Ted Samsel wrote: Berlandier was Swiss, thus allowing the Swiss to take over Rde14. During and after

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Fritz Holt
Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:39 -0500 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. Your 20MPG Exploder is very good. Compare that to a certain caver's 13MPG Jeep! How did I get that 13MPG number?

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Fritz Holt
Lyndon, We all have to make sacrifices for our pleasures. Fritz -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:39 -0500

[ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Don Cooper
Sorry for name calling, but... Big time consumption has been egging on the S D equation for a long time now. The fact that the most recent hyper-spike in price has only curbed consumption marginally just goes to show how lucky we've been so far (In other words, I feel like its fortunate that

[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Fritz Holt
Wavy, My skin is thick but I didn't take it personally anyway. None of us feel that we are the culprit. Fritz From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:51:24 -0500 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Lyndon, We all have to make sacrifices for our pleasures. Fritz I made the sacrifice willingly and I had lots of fun. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website:

[Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Geary Schindel
Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Bill Bentley
Answers IN CAPS below Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? YES Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. NO Have you

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
My observation: People are now asking for carpooling opportunites rather than driving alone without asking if others are making the same trip. On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:19:38 -0500 gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread mark . alman
Hey, Lyndon! I agree with you. As much as I enjoy tooling down by myself or with the kiddos on caving trips in my big diesel F250, I may have to consider splitting the fuel costs with someone on future trips. As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread mark . alman
Good quiz, Geary. I'll answer below: -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:20 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:12 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. ... or talk about religion and politics? -- Lyndon Tiu

RE: [ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread mark . alman
I disagree, Fritz. I totally blame you for everything. 8^) Later, (a punchy) Mark A. From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:01 AM To: Don Cooper Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] RE:

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread mark . alman
I don't mind that, Lyndon. Although, my blood pressure may rise and I may accidentally drive us into tree. Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:40 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Geary Schindel
Lyndon, Sounds like a very long drive back to Houston with George last weekend. My condolences. Anyway, thought George would like that comment. :) Geary -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:40 AM To:

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Diana Tomchick
OK, I'll bite. On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Geary Schindel wrote: Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? No, the balance of time to be spent on family/work/caving is the limiting factor

Re: [ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Terry Holsinger
Many like to place the blame for the decrease in CAFE on the new big SUV's, however one other reason is that as we increase the regulations on emissions we decrease the efficiency of the engines. Compare the same engine in the same makes fuel econemy for a late 80's and a late 90's car and you

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Charles Goldsmith
And why is that? I don't think I've ever seen you at a grotto meet, and we have 3 in the metroplex. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? N/A. Don't go.

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread mark . alman
A couple of reasons, Charles: I live in Mesquite, so all are quite a drive for me. Being an officer of the TSA, I feel I can serve the Texas caving community better in an at-large level, rather than belong to any one grotto and get caught up in the petty bickering and pissing matches we've

Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Charles Goldsmith
I understand Mark, I stayed away from the local grottos for several years because of the bickering and politics. I'm fortunate that I live and work just a few miles away from REI. DFWG has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years, mainly cause several people don't come anymore or have

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
You can't even give those things away in Oregon. You see them sitting roadside along with Hummers with big For Sale signs in the windshield. They've been sitting there so long that most of the signs are faded and have spidey webs on them. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri,

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
I used to drive a '67 Chevy Suburban with 4wd that got about 18 mpg on the road because it didn't have any pollution control devices on it. Happy Mexico memories with that one. Gee I wish I had it back. From: fholt@townandcountryins.comTo: wavyca...@gmail.com; philipmoss@juno.comCC:

RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Louise Power
Since I can't cave anymore, I'd have to say no to whether or not it changed my caving habits, but it sure has changed my travel habits. I don't just get in my little 98 Ford Ranger and go like I used to. One thing I have noticed around here is that on Sundays (when a friend and I treat

[Texascavers] RE: gas prices

2008-07-18 Thread Minton, Mark
Geary, Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. I can provide an Eastern perspective, since I now live in Virgina and cave in VA and WV. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Not at all. We cave as much as possible.