Hi folks,
In response to the information that is circulating concerning the Lincoln
National Forest clsoing the caves in the Guadalupe District I sent the attached
letter today. While it may be an exericse in futility, it can not hurt to
attempt to bring some political pressure to
Apparently some did not receive the attachment so I am trying again.
Ken
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I did not mean to send that last e-mail.
But now that I did, I might as well explain what it is.
If you click on the link, it shows an aerial view of a piece of property.
That is the camp I have rented to hold the picnic that I am planning for May 22.
The plan is for everybody to participate
Butterfly
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
I don't know who broke our butterfly, Brandy tells us, but when they
find him, just hand him over to me, and I'll break his legs.
We're 150 feet underground. The air is damp, 85 degrees. The light is
artificial. Brandy's cheeks are warm and flushed.
Wow!
That is a fantastic website, Dave, and thanks for pointing it out!
You're correct in that you could spend a LOT of time there viewing the
excellent photography.
I especially enjoyed all of the photos from the CaCa area, including a lot of
photos of Cottonwood cave (where we're going
Discovery (Channel) News has another article on Fort Stanton Cave:
http://news.discovery.com/earth/cave-stalactite-climate-rainfall.html
Lee Skinner
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Most of the people commenting about the total length of Caverns of Sonora
haven't much of a clue what they are talking about. There are lots of little
crevices, tiny cracks, and levels upon levels throughout the cave. If you
surveyed all those, it might double the total surveyed length of the
texascavers Digest 28 Jan 2010 19:09:34 - Issue 956
Topics (messages 13442 through 13455):
test 3
13442 by: David
oops - east Texas picnic related
13443 by: David
Sonora Butterfly :
13444 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
Re: a caver's web-site
13445 by:
I had a boss who told me once that he would never hold me accountable for what
I said to the press, only what the press said I said.
G
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Since obituaries are so much more popular among cavers these days than
theological discussions, even those pertaining to Oztotl, I thought it might be
good to offer this reminiscence of much beloved caver extraordinaire Bill
Berryhill who some of you may have known.
In response to my post
Bruce,
Bill was a great guy and I was saddened to learn of his death. I didn’t know
you guys were friends. Too bad, we could have told some funny Sleazeweasel
stories but back then, most of there were actually pretty grim. LOL.
Geary
From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com]
Obviously, my confuser (computer) and i are not on speaking terms today.
Soo... I have embedded the ltr in the email.
Ken
January 28, 2010
Congressman Harry Teague
102 East 4th Street
Roswell, NM 88201
Dear Congressman Teague,
I am writing about an issue that is evolving in
texascavers Digest 28 Jan 2010 22:06:46 - Issue 957
Topics (messages 13456 through 13464):
Press
13456 by: Geary Schindel
Re: The always popular caver obituary
13457 by: Geary Schindel
TSA Winter Meeting Membership, TC Access, and Website Changes Now Completed
I think this is an old caver reminiscing:
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/27/lesson-of-teamwork-learned-deep-underground/
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New Mexican Cave Hints at Future Weather
Cave formations in New Mexico and China offer clues to how climate change
will affect global rainfall.
The Larry O'Hanlon who wrote the news item just posted here doesn't
know a stalactite from a stalagmite. I wonder what else he got
wrong -- Mixon
A bore is a person who talks when you wish him to listen.
You
That's an interesting take on a commercial caving
experience, but not very well fact checked. I was immediately
suspicious when she said it was 85 degrees in the cave. According to
the Caverns of Sonora web site http://www.cavernsofsonora.com/,
which she references, it is actually 71
Fact check a non-technical blog? Jeeze. Lots of blogs are chock-full of spurious information, anyway.
TJan 28, 2010 10:03:37 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
That's an interesting take on a commercial caving experience, but not very well fact checked. I was immediately suspicious when she said it
About 13 years ago I wrote a guide for the guides at Sonora. Some of the
guides have it virtually memorized and I hear them quote it or accurately
paraphrase it. The management at the cave works hard to preserve and build
on the accuracy of their tours. Sometimes guides embellish, no matter how
George,
In any case, I'll be contacting the owners about this so they will
know that they may need to do more training with their guides.
That might be a good idea if they're still telling people
some of the formations are quartz. When the guide told us that many
years ago I
Any takers?
Mark A.
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly
As for there being 7 miles in Sonora, I doubt it, but if
true why
I'm in.
Don's iPhone.
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
Any takers?
Mark A.
-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora
As I understand it the owners have never allowed and are not interested in a
full survey -- worry about damage.
-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:03 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora
My study of Caverns of Sonora that I referred to in my earlier message is
also a survey. Many years ago, Jack Burch established a precise transit
survey through the commercial section, with a few short bits extending
off-trail. However his sketch was rudimentary and begged for detail. After
George,
This is an interesting report on your early survey of The Caverns of Sonora.
The Carbide Corner section of the ICS issue of The Texas Caver has an account
of an early trip into Mayfield Cave by Jimmy Walker and me. This occurred at
the end of 1955 or the beginning of 1956. Jimmy and I
George,
The CRF projects now days ask for 4 members on a survey, the fourth is to
detail the surround. They do this with a book that list the different
attributes (ie type of floor, ceiling, etc.). Unfortunately, this list of
attributes was produced for Lechiguiha which gave me some problems
Some of the work has been published:
Bogdan Onac, George Veni, and William B. White. 2001. Depositional
environment for metatyuyamunite and related minerals from Caverns of Sonora,
TX (U.S.A.) European Journal of Mineralogy, 13:135-143.
I'd be glad to send a PDF of it to anyone who is
One of the things I'm considering in how to move forward in studying and
surveying the cave is the technologies that are available now that were
unheard of when I started my efforts many years ago. The purpose of the work
is good and useful information. A pretty map is a nice byproduct.
George
George, I'd be very thankful for a copy of that PDF. Caverns of
Sonora is one of my favorite caves. If I can help in your endeavors
in anyway, let me know.
Charles
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:59 PM, George Veni gv...@warpdriveonline.com wrote:
Some of the work has been published:
Bogdan Onac,
The file is attached as is my appreciation for your work and support.
George
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:47 PM
To: George Veni
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Sonora Butterfly
George, I'd be very thankful
Butch Fralia, our TSA website extraordinaire, has informed me that after
laboring for countless hours in a previously smoke-filled back room, hunched
over a steaming keyboard, that the changes to the TSA membership fees, TEXAS
CAVER access, and to website have been completed!
You'll recall
How many libraries receive Texas Caver?
julia
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 2:25 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Winter Meeting Membership, TC Access, and Website
Changes Now Completed
Butch Fralia,
It was Texas State (?) in San Marcos, UT, and Baylor, Julia.
The Aggies need to get on the ball!
Mark
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Sent: Thu 1/28/2010 2:40 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ EOS; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re:
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