Down the wormhole
A Colorado cave might hold a key to extraterrestrial life forms
Profile - _From the March 01, 2010 issue of High Country News_
(http://www.hcn.org/issues/42.4)
by Jennie Lay
Name Sulphur Cave (Scientists prefer the f spelling, but Sulphur Cave
has historically been
I find it interesting that there are some many new cave like
buildings..from the new Las Vegas casino project by Jean Nouvel, based
on Caves.( he got the geology wrong, but cool building ).The
gambling halls are designed to look like large cave rooms.
And now the torch at the
texascavers Digest 26 Feb 2010 15:52:09 - Issue 992
Topics (messages 13961 through 13978):
Lincoln National Forest Cave Meeting Notes
13961 by: Mark Alman
The last Hummer truck
13962 by: David
13963 by: Don Arburn
13965 by: Nico Escamilla
13966 by:
All of this On Topic/Off Topic discussion reminds me of one of the best, well
thought out, and insightful responses to this that I have ever read on CaveTex.
Here it is below:
From: JS White [mailto:jswhite1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 8/28/2009 7:45 PM
Iraqi immigrants will be using these for chicken coops.
TFeb 25, 2010 06:40:19 PM, donarb...@mac.com wrote:
It is possible that in 10 or 20 years cavers will want these, kind of like some still like old Scouts, and old Toyota Landcruisers, and old Jeep Wagoneers.Doubt
In the late 50's while serving in the U.S. Army, we were hauled around in
deuce and a half trucks with a folding bench along each side of the rather
high bed. I believe that they were GM and six wheel drive. According to my
boss, a young guy (44), he knows of a source where they can be
hi,
just to let you all know:
Bill Russell had a stroke on Friday, 19th Feb. He was taken to Seton
Hospital on Lamar and 38th in Austin about 10 at night. We didn't
tell you all earlier because we wanted good news, and we have some.
Saturday, a surgeon opened up his right cartoid artery with
Wow, Katie.
Terrible and good news in one email.
Glad to hear that Bill is doing well and we'll be sure to keep him in
our thoughts and prayers.
Thanks, too, for bringing us back to reality and to what is really
important.
Keep us posted!
Mark A.
-Original Message-
From:
Katie, please give Bill my well wishes and keep us updated.
Charles
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Katherine Arens
k.ar...@mail.utexas.edu wrote:
hi,
just to let you all know:
Bill Russell had a stroke on Friday, 19th Feb. He was taken to Seton
Hospital on Lamar and 38th in Austin about
Joe,
This should be OT but I will stick with this venue for my final post on the
matter. Your reply is well put, thanks. I thought about our confrontational
posts last night and below is what I intended to send you this morning.
Joe,
Please disregard my last post. I felt your response of
Charles,
Sorry for this, I will amend my ways. I responded to Joe's post with reply to
all.
Fritz
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:28 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: Joe Ranzau; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re:
Fritz, this should not have gone to the list, that's what a reply is
for and not a reply to all.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
Joe,
This should be OT but I will stick with this venue for my final post on the
matter. Your reply is well put,
Charles,
I used this as my form of an apology to all but will be more discrete.
Fritz
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:49 AM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: Joe Ranzau
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Minnow
Fritz, this should
Maybe so Fritz, but it didn't really come across as an apology. Plus,
we get so much traffic on this, we really don't need additional
clutter.
Thanks
Charles
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Fritz Holt
fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
Charles,
I used this as my form of an apology to all
Thanks, Charles. I will continue to post on the appropriate venues and will do
a better job of omitting the unnecessary and otherwise dumb stuff.
Fritz
-
Perfect.
B
-- Original Message --
From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Postings of late
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:01:20 -0600
As anyone that has been on this mailing
Jack Stellmack, a close friend of caves and cavers everywhere passed away
quickly, not suffering any pain, this morning. For those of you who did not
know him, there will be eulogies forthcoming. For me, he was a past companion
in some truely memorable underground adventures.
DirtDoc
For those of you who have been around the NSS for a long time comes the news
that Jack Stellmack, once President of the NSS, has died.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:54 AM
Hi Dwight--
Sad to hear about Jack. I remember when he was president of the NSS while I
was a high school kid caving in the Ozarks. At a couple NSS conventions and
MVORs in the 1960s I enjoyed the opportunity to swap caving stories with him
around the campfire...recall he wore a Mexican pancho on
While we seem to be on the topic of caver health, does anyone know the status
of Barry (B. Frederick) Beck, AKA Rain God? Barry had a serious stroke last
fall but I've not seen any further news as to his condition.
===Carl Kunath (With all best wishes to William for a speedy and full
I've been getting semi-regular updates. Barry has locked-up syndrome, a
difficult brand of stroke with a difficult prognosis. He is still in the
hospital in Knoxville and communicating by eye-movement. Some days are
better than others and his family and doctors keep researching and trying
-- Forwarded message --
From: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Subject: NSS Response to the CBD Petition
To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu
Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS Liaison, has written a excellent letter on
Bill just pointed out that the link on Cheryl's forward was incorrect.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.netwrote:
Address should be: caves.org/wns http://caves.org/wins.
NOT:
caves.org/wins. Scroll to the bottom of the page to the Links section.
Click on
As anyone that has been on this mailing list for any length of time,
you'll know that the flood of emails come in cycles and that when the
stars align as well as the moon is in the right phase, we get a deluge
of emails that probably shouldn't be here.
As the list owner, I get sent a few comments
Yeah, I've got gripes and complaints! There, take that!!!
Keep up the good work :-)
Allan
Heh, thanks for the smile Allan.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote:
Yeah, I've got gripes and complaints! There, take that!!!
Keep up the good work :-)
Allan
on behalf of all the consultants who must monitor cavetex, and especially
on behalf of all of us cavers who work professionally with karst in one
way or another, thank you so very much.for this last post
Charles Goldsmith wrote:
As anyone that has been on this mailing list for any length of
Welcome Andy, and many here just keep forgetting this little bit of info.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Andy Grubbs hays...@centurytel.net wrote:
on behalf of all the consultants who must monitor cavetex, and especially
on behalf of all of us cavers who work professionally with karst in one
Thank you. For everything.
Don's iPhone.
On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
wrote:
As anyone that has been on this mailing list for any length of time,
you'll know that the flood of emails come in cycles and that when the
stars align as well as the moon
My pleasure Don
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com wrote:
Thank you. For everything.
Don's iPhone.
And Thanks to you, Charles, for all the work and contributions keeping this
list functioning.
-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:01 AM
To: Cavetex
Subject: [Texascavers] Postings of late
As anyone that has been on
Thank you Linda :)
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Linda Palit lkpa...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
And Thanks to you, Charles, for all the work and contributions keeping this
list functioning.
Charles,
Thanks for addressing this issue. I am new to the listserve, and
want to remain a part of it, but with the recent deluge it has been
tough. I hope that what you had to say makes a difference with our
group and again thanks for stepping up and saying something.
Greg Thoreson
Charles, just between you and I, I believe Fritz is intentionally being an
irritant. I believe it amuses him to stir the pot. Unfortunately, it runs
people away from this forum. He is very opinionated, about all sorts of things
have have absolutely nothing to do with caving, and thinks we all
I'm not sure if he's doing it on purpose, and don't care, I've traded
several private emails with him about the issues.
I agree about the entertainment factor, and rest assured, I've taken
measures to stop the stupid emails.
Thanks
Charles
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Terri Sprouse
Thanks so for all your help, Charles.
--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Postings of late
To: Terri Sprouse terri.spro...@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 2:27 PM
I'm not sure
Charles Goldsmith wrote:
As anyone that has been on this mailing list for any length of time,
you'll know that the flood of emails come in cycles and that when the
stars align as well as the moon is in the right phase, we get a deluge
of emails that probably shouldn't be here.
As the list
Charles,
I'm glad you sent that message; you brought up some good points that
needed to be stated. Unfortunately, appealing to common sense will not
work for the select few who don't have any. I hope you will not
hesitate to send similar (but not as nice) reminders more often when
the
I have three out of four of these symptoms on a regular basis!
Mark A.
-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:29 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] airborne rabies case ?
Symptoms like the flu, but also :
1.
This post is sort of an extension of one that I posted a few months ago.
The Australians have written a basic guide to freediving sumps:
http://www.caves.org.au/s_freedive.htm
It does not put a limit to the timespan of the dive, nor the length of the
dive.
I didn't know about the
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