[Texascavers] Bahamas' 'blue holes' hold wonders and weird science :

Bahamas' 'blue holes' hold wonders and weird science (javascript:;) (javascript:;) Scientist Kenny Broad fights to the surface in a sinkhole on Abaco. The caves can contain dangerous whirlpools. By _Dan Vergano_ (http://content.usatoday.com/top

Re: [ot_caving] Strange things caught on Google maps

Cool. Looks like something slid in for a landing there (without getting all blown to hell). -Original Message- From: Bill Bentley To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 10:36 pm Subject: [ot_caving] Strange things caught on Google maps http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&

[Texascavers] House for rent

We have a 2 bedroom house in the Rolling Oaks Caver Community for rent at the beginning of the month to a happy caver family. On 5 acres of land. Private, amongst the oaks and juniper. Chicken pen. Garden. Covered parking. Wild grapes ready for picking. Walking distance to Kiwi Sink. Comfortably sa

[Texascavers] Gnotes from the Underground..

Museum opening.. at the Museum of Ephemerata..UNDERGROUND - Grand Opening Saturday, July 23, 7-10PM! With music by Christy and the Plowboys!http://www.mnae.org/collection/underground.php The Museum is open Thursdays (4-7pm) and Saturdays (1-4pm). We are also open for appointments -- call 3

[ot_caving] Strange things caught on Google maps

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: curious ponds

Enriched geraniums? Don's iPhone. On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Albach wrote: > I suppose any garden that thrives on underground Mexican uranium (secret or > otherwise) would have specially enriched plants in it. > > -robert ---

[Texascavers] Re: curious ponds

I suppose any garden that thrives on underground Mexican uranium (secret or otherwise) would have specially enriched plants in it. -robert Mixon Bill wrote: They could be somebody's gardens, but my theory is that they are the secret underground Mexican uranium-enrichment plants. -- Mixon ---

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Almagre

They are definitely ponds--with something in um. The westernmost one has an earthen dam on the west side and is fed by a stream channel which looks dry. There is something very PhotoShoppy about the margins of the 2 unknown inset images. The chaparral comes right up to the edge of one and also has

Re: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves

Recent and excellent report from Brian Kakuk, exploring Dan's Cave, Abacoo Island, Bahamas http://www.bahamascaves.com/exploration/abacodanscave.html --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Brandon Cook wrote: From: Brandon Cook Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post:

Re: [Texascavers] Leverett cave rescue

Yup. It's a very, very small Mass Hole (no affiliation with the more significant cave by the same name, same state, but in a different formation) located near the Connecticut River Valley rift. It's small (225 to 400 feet in total interconnected length) and perhaps 30' "deep" at most. Of

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related

Go for it, David! After all - what could possibly go wrong? -WaV On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > Don't forget to check their driving licenses and driving record David, > you wouldn't want them to crash your car would you? ;-) > > Cheers, > Stefan > > -Original Messag

[Texascavers] AMCS books at UT Grotto meeting

The following new or recent AMCS books will be available at UT Grotto meeting tomorrow night: AMCS Activities Newsletter 33, $10 softbound, $20 hardbound AMCS Bulletin 21 (Zacatón), $14 softbound, $24 hardbound AMCS Reprint 11 (ICS Mexican field trip guidebooks), softbound $10 Huautla video (Ja

Re: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves

The following link is to a 52 minute NOVA documentary featuring the Bahama Blue Holes http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/ --- On Tue, 7/20/10, cavera...@aol.com wrote: From: cavera...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves To: mmin...@caver.net, texascavers@texascavers.com, nmca.

[Texascavers] Leverett cave rescue

That was a talus cave. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@

[Texascavers] Back to Extraterrestrial Lava Tubes

LIVING IN LUNAR LAVA TUBES Q&A: Could a recently discovered lava tube "skylight" be used as a lunar base? Discovery News finds out by asking co-investigator Dr. Carolyn van der Bogert... One of the key questions when we eventually return to the Moon will be: where are we going to live? Perhap

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 20:42:45 -0000 Issue 1106

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 20:42:45 - Issue 1106 Topics (messages 15442 through 15462): Re: Stamps in a Cave 15442 by: Mark Minton Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation 15443 by: Don Arburn 15444 by: Bill Bentley 15446 by: Albach 15450 by: D

[Texascavers] RE: Almagre

Robert, Couple of comments to your response. A. I assume that the nets are curved to fit the size of the pond to save material as these are more natural shaped ponds rather than constructed concrete raceways you might see here in the US. B. There may be a steady flow of water from either

Re: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves

Featuring, near the end, mention of TSA's own Dr. Thomas Iliffe of Texas A&M, Galveston. -Original Message- From: Mark Minton To: Texascavers ; New Mexico Cavers Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 2:39 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Bahamas Caves The August 2010 issue of National Geogra

[Texascavers] Bahamas Caves

The August 2010 issue of National Geographic has an article about the blue holes and underwater caves of the Bahamas. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumn

RE: [Texascavers] Woman rescued after 12 hours in cave

More info about the rescue: http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Cave-rescue-underway-in-Leverett Sherppa _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your in

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Almagre

Me too, we have them here in Oregon. From: jkenn...@batcon.org To: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:19:08 -0600 CC: ralb...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Almagre When I saw the photos, I was

[Texascavers] Woman rescued after 12 hours in cave

Anyone know this woman? Woman Rescued From Cave After 12 Hours Rescuers Save Woman Stuck In Leverett Cave POSTED: 6:38 am EDT July 20, 2010 UPDATED: 2:45 pm EDT July 20, 2010 BOSTON -- A woman trapped 30 feet underground in a cave in Leverett for 12 hours was finally rescued earl

[Texascavers] Re: Almagre

I'm going with the aperture reflection story over the aquaculture theory for these reasons: (a) the edges of these potential nets are not square but pretty well conform to the curves of the pond - I'd expect a set of right angles everywhere instead; (b) I believe that aquaculture requires a st

RE: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related

Don't forget to check their driving licenses and driving record David, you wouldn't want them to crash your car would you? ;-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] I have found enough riders ( strangers off of Craigslist ) to get me to and from Ve

[Texascavers] NSS Convention related

I have found enough riders ( strangers off of Craigslist ) to get me to and from Vermont. So in theory, the cost of driving will be minimized. So, I am leaning towards making the road-trip. The logistics of picking up these riders is going to most likely complicate the drive and slow me down, bu

[Texascavers] Re: Almagre

When I saw the photos, I was also thinking aquaculture. On Jul 20, 2010, at 11:31 AM, "Geary Schindel" > wrote: It appears to me that they are shallow ponds for raising fish or prawns. They may have a net covering to keep birds from eating all the critters or keeping the prawns from gett

RE: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image

It appears to me that they are shallow ponds for raising fish or prawns. They may have a net covering to keep birds from eating all the critters or keeping the prawns from getting sunburned. Check out Lilly Ponds Water Gardens, near Sugarloaf Mountain Natural Area, southeast of Frederick, Mary

Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image

The layout of the structure is identical to the piping layout of a chemical plant. I don't see any structure resembling storage but they could be elsewhere underground. The surface resembles water, but it could be a tinted glass roof. The rectangular structures could be pumps, centrifuges, blowe

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

My best guess is that these two pools initially reflected the sun or clouds straight back to the satellite from the water that covered them. Automatic post processing of the data attempts to correct anomalies by stretching the contrast and decreasing/increasing brightness to match surrounding terr

[Texascavers] curious ponds

They could be somebody's gardens, but my theory is that they are the secret underground Mexican uranium-enrichment plants. -- Mixon You can live down anything but a good reputation. You may "reply" to the address t

[Texascavers] Correction to a post

A few days ago, I mentioned I had found riders to go on a road-trip to Vermont by using the rideshare feature of Craigslist. I haven't checked out Craiglist in a few years and I was unaware of the high percentage of bogus ads on their rideshare program that are used by spammers. What looks like

RE: [Texascavers] Spectacular Spanish cave has most extensive collection of helictites ever found

I agree, these are nice formations but don't compare to those that four of us saw on our two day trek into Mayfield Cave between December, 1955 and February, 1956. I drove from Ft. Bliss in El Paso on a cold Saturday morning to meet Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and Ralph Derby. We crossed "the ledge

[Texascavers] Re: Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

I'm going to postulate that this is likely a software rendering issue as it appears only to happen in this area (discovered so far) and at the locations of these ponds / tanks. I equate it to green screens as used in movies / baseball games (usually behind home plate) where the delivered image

[Texascavers] Park Ranger Opening at Government Canyon

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business/jobs/postings/?page=10_45_271

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

Your all wrong... It is a weak spot in the Matrix ...It is a break down of the electrochromagraphic technology... Bill - Original Message - From: "Don Arburn" To: "Texas Cavers List" Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an expla

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

It's the reflection of the bottom of the mother ship. Don's iPhone. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@te

[Texascavers] RE: Stamps in a Cave

The so-called cave where the stamps are stored is indeed a mine. They say so in the podcast of the story, which I hadn't listened to before my original post, and you can see it in their photos and

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 15:11:07 -0000 Issue 1105

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 15:11:07 - Issue 1105 Topics (messages 15436 through 15441): Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation 15436 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net 15439 by: Rod Goke 15440 by: caverarch.aol.com 15441 by: Mark Minton Re: bat counting

[Texascavers] Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

I used Google Earth to tilt the image and looked for any 3-D structure. Couldn't see any. I also panned the cursor over the "pond" on the east side of the road and the elevation never changed. Of course it didn't change when I panned over the nearby buildings, either, so obviously ve

Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

I've spent a lot of time scanning satellite and aerial photo images, and like Rod, I've never seen anything like the the patterns in the two ponds under discussion. It would be interesting to examine them in person, but perhaps extremely hazardous if they are some sort of camouflage for covert

Re: Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

I agree with Logan that the patterns in the satellite photos appear different from most aerial photos I've seen of "raised fields". The patterns in the satellite photos have straighter lines, and if they are raised fields, they must have been constructed with much more precise surveying than the tr

[Texascavers] RE: satellite image; raised fields

The system of agriculture that Rod is describing is called "raised fields", first recognized or at least published ca. 1981 regarding Pulltrouser Swamp in northern Belize. It's used in wetland /(bajo)/ areas, and employs a system of small hand-dug canals with the fertile muck from the canals u

[Texascavers] Fwd: bat counting

-- Forwarded message -- From: List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:16 AM Subject: bat counting To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu A friend saw this poster at the ESRI meeting in San Diego. http://www.flickr.com/photos/11612565@N05/4807940691/sizes/l/

Re: Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

If you go to Google Earth, the area on the W side of the road has a photo there of Presa la Sauceda (an earth dammed reservoir). It looks like a digital artifact where there is overlap in edgematching of the satellite images from INEGI. There seems to be a splice there..   photo (I made it small

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 10:15:05 -0000 Issue 1104

texascavers Digest 20 Jul 2010 10:15:05 - Issue 1104 Topics (messages 15412 through 15435): Re: for cavers needing ride to Vermont 15412 by: Gill Edigar Stamps in a Cave 15413 by: Mark Minton 15414 by: David 15415 by: Geary Schindel 15416 by: tbsamsel

Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image, an explanation

Here is my best guess at a serious explanation for what's in those satellite photos. Admittedly, it is only a slightly educated guess, but it seems plausible, and if anyone has a more likely explanation, I'd like to hear it. Suppose you were a farmer/rancher in an area with lots of undeveloped l

[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - July 21, 2010

Underground Texas Grotto meeting July 21, 2010 www.utgrotto.org The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Dr. Ann Scott and Don Arburn will present “Continued Adventures in Belize,

Re: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image

Both very interesting. Too bad Google Street View doesn't work there. Hey, I wonder if Google takes request about where to send its Street View cameras next. Do they have a 4WD version of that camera car? Maybe if we all start an email campaign... ;-) Rod -Original Message- >From: Don