[Texascavers] Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies :

2012-02-13 Thread JerryAtkin
Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies Released: 2/13/2012 12:00:00 PM Contact Information: U.S. Department of the Interior, U.S. Geological Survey Office of Communications and Publishing 12201 Sunrise Valley Dr, MS 119 Reston, VA 20192 _Andrew Long_ (mailto:ajl...@usgs.gov

[Texascavers] Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies :

2012-02-13 Thread JerryAtkin
Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies Released: 2/13/2012 12:00:00 PM Contact Information: U.S. Department of the Interior, U.S. Geological Survey Office of Communications and Publishing 12201 Sunrise Valley Dr, MS 119 Reston, VA 20192 _Andrew Long_ (mailto:ajl...@usgs.gov

[Texascavers] Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies :

2012-02-13 Thread JerryAtkin
Arsenic Concentrations High in Wind Cave Water Bodies Released: 2/13/2012 12:00:00 PM Contact Information: U.S. Department of the Interior, U.S. Geological Survey Office of Communications and Publishing 12201 Sunrise Valley Dr, MS 119 Reston, VA 20192 _Andrew Long_ (mailto:ajl...@usgs.gov

texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 -0000 Issue 1497

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 - Issue 1497 Topics (messages 19546 through 19558): Re: Honey Creek sand observation 19546 by: Andy Gluesenkamp 19547 by: Diana Tomchick 19548 by: George Veni 19550 by: Pete Lindsley 19551 by: hine0012.umn.edu

texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 -0000 Issue 1497

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 - Issue 1497 Topics (messages 19546 through 19558): Re: Honey Creek sand observation 19546 by: Andy Gluesenkamp 19547 by: Diana Tomchick 19548 by: George Veni 19550 by: Pete Lindsley 19551 by: hine0012.umn.edu

texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 -0000 Issue 1497

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 14 Feb 2012 03:50:04 - Issue 1497 Topics (messages 19546 through 19558): Re: Honey Creek sand observation 19546 by: Andy Gluesenkamp 19547 by: Diana Tomchick 19548 by: George Veni 19550 by: Pete Lindsley 19551 by: hine0012.umn.edu

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Aimee Beveridge
We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I > remember brea

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Aimee Beveridge
We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I > remember brea

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Aimee Beveridge
We observed a layer of cave ice on the water in cave without a name upstream passage this January. I don't recall seeing any on trips we did back in 2000. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: >In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I > remember brea

[SWR] Change of E-mail Address; Please add changes to your contacts lists

2012-02-13 Thread Linda Starr
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[SWR] Change of E-mail Address; Please add changes to your contacts lists

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[SWR] Change of E-mail Address; Please add changes to your contacts lists

2012-02-13 Thread Linda Starr
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Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Edwards
Are you kidding? That makes the wire wiggle sound like a walk in the park! -Andy On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Preston Forsythe wrote: > ** > Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely > caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. > > Cavingly, > >

Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Edwards
Are you kidding? That makes the wire wiggle sound like a walk in the park! -Andy On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Preston Forsythe wrote: > ** > Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely > caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. > > Cavingly, > >

Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Edwards
Are you kidding? That makes the wire wiggle sound like a walk in the park! -Andy On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Preston Forsythe wrote: > ** > Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely > caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. > > Cavingly, > >

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the surface of the water in active stream passage. We crunched through it sinking large pieces as we walked. A few months later when we returned the s

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the surface of the water in active stream passage. We crunched through it sinking large pieces as we walked. A few months later when we returned the s

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Minton
In a similar vein, back in the '80s in Spring Creek Cave (TX) I remember breaking through calcite ice that had formed a solid layer on the surface of the water in active stream passage. We crunched through it sinking large pieces as we walked. A few months later when we returned the s

Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Preston Forsythe
Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. Cavingly, Preston formerly of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood - Original Message - From: bmorgan...@aol.com To: texasca

Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Preston Forsythe
Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. Cavingly, Preston formerly of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood - Original Message - From: bmorgan...@aol.com To: texasca

Re: [Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread Preston Forsythe
Sounds like the old Dead Dog Cave in Austin, a testpiece of squirrely caving, as well as the Wire Wiggle in the back of Airman's. Cavingly, Preston formerly of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood - Original Message - From: bmorgan...@aol.com To: texasca

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Neal, That's a great offer. My old geochem software doesn't play well with my new computer so I can't easily run the simulations myself. I'll be in touch off-list in the next day or two with more information. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Ca

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Neal, That's a great offer. My old geochem software doesn't play well with my new computer so I can't easily run the simulations myself. I'll be in touch off-list in the next day or two with more information. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Ca

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Neal, That's a great offer. My old geochem software doesn't play well with my new computer so I can't easily run the simulations myself. I'll be in touch off-list in the next day or two with more information. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Ca

[Texascavers] Vampires coming to Texas?

2012-02-13 Thread Heather Tucek
http://www.kvue.com/home/Vampire-bats-may-be-on-their-way-to-Texas-139222439.html -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto TSA Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org

[Texascavers] Vampires coming to Texas?

2012-02-13 Thread Heather Tucek
http://www.kvue.com/home/Vampire-bats-may-be-on-their-way-to-Texas-139222439.html -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto TSA Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org

[Texascavers] Vampires coming to Texas?

2012-02-13 Thread Heather Tucek
http://www.kvue.com/home/Vampire-bats-may-be-on-their-way-to-Texas-139222439.html -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto TSA Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
I've been thinking a lot about Snowy, and its situation is different from Honey Creek. Calcite precipitation on the floor of Honey Creek occurs mostly by sunken rafts, whereas calcite in Snowy is precipitated as a crystalline layer on the submerged walls and floors. The basic geochemical equations

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread hine0012
Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should be a main driver for depositional events of calcite "snow". These depositional

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread hine0012
Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should be a main driver for depositional events of calcite "snow". These depositional

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread hine0012
Sounds like a job for Geochemists' Workbench (or PHREEQC), which I have access to. I'd be glad to do some runs if data is available. Temperature effects I bet are minor as mentioned, and partial pressure of CO2 should be a main driver for depositional events of calcite "snow". These depositional

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rain

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rain

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Pete Lindsley
George, it would also be interesting to relate this to the development of the rather recent calcite formation in Snowy RIver. SR only forms calcite in SR during a "flood event" in the really dry NM area, and that apparently happens only 2-4 times in a 10 year period due mostly to heavy rain

[Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread BMorgan994
I just posted this on TAGnet, but since word of this wretched little cave has made it all the way to Texas I decided to share my personal remembrance of the place. In general I try to forget that I ever had the misfortune to live in Maryland. In the immortal words of the Talking Heads, "Don't

[Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread BMorgan994
I just posted this on TAGnet, but since word of this wretched little cave has made it all the way to Texas I decided to share my personal remembrance of the place. In general I try to forget that I ever had the misfortune to live in Maryland. In the immortal words of the Talking Heads, "Don't

[Texascavers] Schetromph cave

2012-02-13 Thread BMorgan994
I just posted this on TAGnet, but since word of this wretched little cave has made it all the way to Texas I decided to share my personal remembrance of the place. In general I try to forget that I ever had the misfortune to live in Maryland. In the immortal words of the Talking Heads, "Don't

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing. You are correct that the

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing. You are correct that the

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Measurements I made of soil and cave air carbon dioxide during my dissertation research in the Honey Creek area show a strong positive correlation between spring-summer plant growth and increases in cave air carbon dioxide. Studies in other areas have shown the same thing. You are correct that the

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time > depends mostly on: > · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how > many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; > · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floa

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time > depends mostly on: > · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how > many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; > · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floa

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
> > The degree to which the sand accumulates or is noticed at any given time > depends mostly on: > · How much time has passed since the last flood, which determines how > many rafts will accumulate floating on the water; > · How severe the flood was, and did it just sink the floa

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Thanks for the excellent explanation, George. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 2/13/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation To: "'texas

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Thanks for the excellent explanation, George. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 2/13/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation To: "'texas

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Thanks for the excellent explanation, George. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 2/13/12, George Veni wrote: From: George Veni Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation To: "'texas

texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 -0000 Issue 1496

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 - Issue 1496 Topics (messages 19536 through 19545): Maryland cave rescue report 19536 by: Speleosteele.aol.com Missing a wetsuit? 19537 by: Mallory Mayeux Honeycreek Trip 19538 by: Kurt L. Menking 19539 by: DON ARBURN

texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 -0000 Issue 1496

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 - Issue 1496 Topics (messages 19536 through 19545): Maryland cave rescue report 19536 by: Speleosteele.aol.com Missing a wetsuit? 19537 by: Mallory Mayeux Honeycreek Trip 19538 by: Kurt L. Menking 19539 by: DON ARBURN

texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 -0000 Issue 1496

2012-02-13 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 13 Feb 2012 19:20:21 - Issue 1496 Topics (messages 19536 through 19545): Maryland cave rescue report 19536 by: Speleosteele.aol.com Missing a wetsuit? 19537 by: Mallory Mayeux Honeycreek Trip 19538 by: Kurt L. Menking 19539 by: DON ARBURN

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Calcite sand in Honey Creek is usually deposited due to turbulence related to both normal and flooding conditions. Kurt described deposition common to normal conditions: . Dripping water sinks floating calcite rafts; . Rafts accumulate on the upstream side of dams, where as m

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Calcite sand in Honey Creek is usually deposited due to turbulence related to both normal and flooding conditions. Kurt described deposition common to normal conditions: . Dripping water sinks floating calcite rafts; . Rafts accumulate on the upstream side of dams, where as m

RE: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread George Veni
Calcite sand in Honey Creek is usually deposited due to turbulence related to both normal and flooding conditions. Kurt described deposition common to normal conditions: . Dripping water sinks floating calcite rafts; . Rafts accumulate on the upstream side of dams, where as m

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white "calcium" looking "gravel" in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkam

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white "calcium" looking "gravel" in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkam

Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Could they be dried up pulverized hackberry seeds? I noticed a bunch of white "calcium" looking "gravel" in the bottom of a metal rain-water trough, yesterday, that I drained. Sounds similar. Perhaps washed in from the surface? Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Andy Gluesenkam

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of "sand" on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the "high tide".  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sa

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of "sand" on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the "high tide".  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sa

[Texascavers] Honey Creek sand observation

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
This was different.  First, I noticed small areas of white sand in pools in the spring run.  There were some now-dryish pools that had a coating of "sand" on the bottom (but on top of the mud), as if they were filled during the "high tide".  We also noticed a 3/4-inch wide band of fine white sa

[PBSS] Fw: [SWR] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

2012-02-13 Thread Bill Bentley
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[PBSS] Fw: [SWR] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

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[PBSS] Fw: [SWR] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

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[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

2012-02-13 Thread C Tiderman
  Carol - Forwarded Message - From: cady soukup To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines! Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach! In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts

[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

2012-02-13 Thread C Tiderman
  Carol - Forwarded Message - From: cady soukup To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines! Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach! In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts

[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines!

2012-02-13 Thread C Tiderman
  Carol - Forwarded Message - From: cady soukup To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: NSS Convention: Arts & Music Salon Deadlines! Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach! In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
Andy, I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is an active dripping stalactite above (or several). The formations that are very active often have a mound of cave ice below them. I also seem big piles of cave ice below waterfalls. I’ve noticed, at least in

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
Andy, I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is an active dripping stalactite above (or several). The formations that are very active often have a mound of cave ice below them. I also seem big piles of cave ice below waterfalls. I’ve noticed, at least in

RE: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
Andy, I’ve noticed before most areas where the floor is white with cave ice there is an active dripping stalactite above (or several). The formations that are very active often have a mound of cave ice below them. I also seem big piles of cave ice below waterfalls. I’ve noticed, at least in

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Kudos to Kurt!  We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in vari

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Kudos to Kurt!  We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in vari

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Andy Gluesenkamp
Kudos to Kurt!  We had a very enjoyable time touristing in the entrance area and beyond Whistler's Mother (sucking major air).  We saw five Honey Creek salamanders, despite poor visibility and we had fun coming up with passable explanations for the deposit of white calcite (?) sand seen in vari

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Very cool!! Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking" wrote: > This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for > rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never > materialized. So I didn’t have to cancel the

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Very cool!! Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking" wrote: > This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for > rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never > materialized. So I didn’t have to cancel the

Re: [Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread DON ARBURN
Very cool!! Sent cellularly. -Don On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Kurt L. Menking" wrote: > This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for > rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never > materialized. So I didn’t have to cancel the

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never materialized. So I didn't have to cancel the trip. At least 62 people came out. Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed a lead in th

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never materialized. So I didn't have to cancel the trip. At least 62 people came out. Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed a lead in th

[Texascavers] Honeycreek Trip

2012-02-13 Thread Kurt L. Menking
This weekend we managed to squeeze in a great trip despite the forecast for rain. Turns out the doom and gloom forecast for Wed-Friday last week never materialized. So I didn't have to cancel the trip. At least 62 people came out. Ellie Watson, Jill Orr, and Andy Edward surveyed a lead in th

[PBSS] PBSS Monthly Meeting

2012-02-13 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday February 14th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early & have dinner--we have the room starting

[PBSS] PBSS Monthly Meeting

2012-02-13 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday February 14th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early & have dinner--we have the room starting

[PBSS] PBSS Monthly Meeting

2012-02-13 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A
All, The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Tuesday February 14th, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in Midland, Texas. Murray's is is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet in the back room. Come early & have dinner--we have the room starting

[Texascavers] Missing a wetsuit?

2012-02-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
If you went to Honey Creek and are missing a farmer John wetsuit, let me know bc I came home with an extra that I don't recognize. Email me or txt me at 235-933-9885. Mallory Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texa

[Texascavers] Missing a wetsuit?

2012-02-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
If you went to Honey Creek and are missing a farmer John wetsuit, let me know bc I came home with an extra that I don't recognize. Email me or txt me at 235-933-9885. Mallory Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texa

[Texascavers] Missing a wetsuit?

2012-02-13 Thread Mallory Mayeux
If you went to Honey Creek and are missing a farmer John wetsuit, let me know bc I came home with an extra that I don't recognize. Email me or txt me at 235-933-9885. Mallory Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texa

[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report

2012-02-13 Thread Speleosteele
>From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a

[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report

2012-02-13 Thread Speleosteele
>From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a

[Texascavers] Maryland cave rescue report

2012-02-13 Thread Speleosteele
>From TagNet this morning Washington County, MD, rescue... By: Dean Wiseman (Indianapolis, Indiana) jazzpi...@mohodisco.com A few weeks ago the world was aware of a cave rescue in Schetromph Cave in Washington County, Maryland. A short version of the account was released at that time, with a