Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Bill Bentley
I paid at TCR Your Dues Expired: -00-00. Please Join/Renew Online If you believe this is an error, please e-mail: members...@cavetexas.org - Original Message - From: Jill Orr To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: [Texascavers]

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Bill Bentley
I paid at TCR Your Dues Expired: -00-00. Please Join/Renew Online If you believe this is an error, please e-mail: members...@cavetexas.org - Original Message - From: Jill Orr To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: [Texascavers]

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Bill Bentley
I paid at TCR Your Dues Expired: -00-00. Please Join/Renew Online If you believe this is an error, please e-mail: members...@cavetexas.org - Original Message - From: Jill Orr To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: [Texascavers]

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread DONALD G. DAVIS
>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread DONALD G. DAVIS
>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread DONALD G. DAVIS
>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Harvey DuChene
Some "Science" (or lack thereof) is used by a few (but probably not most) bureaucrats as "backup" to further their personal careers and/or agendas. This is human nature. Federal land stewards in New Mexico have an unfortunate history of this type of behavior. The current WNS Tsarina in Santa Fe (or

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Harvey DuChene
Some "Science" (or lack thereof) is used by a few (but probably not most) bureaucrats as "backup" to further their personal careers and/or agendas. This is human nature. Federal land stewards in New Mexico have an unfortunate history of this type of behavior. The current WNS Tsarina in Santa Fe (or

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Harvey DuChene
Some "Science" (or lack thereof) is used by a few (but probably not most) bureaucrats as "backup" to further their personal careers and/or agendas. This is human nature. Federal land stewards in New Mexico have an unfortunate history of this type of behavior. The current WNS Tsarina in Santa Fe (or

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Jen.
The BLM made a management decision to close their caves that were determined to be colonial bat roosts.  They did not close all the caves, they closed less than 1% of caves in NM, and they have worked with cavers to allow exceptions for research.  No-one is happy, but we are doing the best we

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Jen.
The BLM made a management decision to close their caves that were determined to be colonial bat roosts.  They did not close all the caves, they closed less than 1% of caves in NM, and they have worked with cavers to allow exceptions for research.  No-one is happy, but we are doing the best we

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Jen.
The BLM made a management decision to close their caves that were determined to be colonial bat roosts.  They did not close all the caves, they closed less than 1% of caves in NM, and they have worked with cavers to allow exceptions for research.  No-one is happy, but we are doing the best we

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser wrote: > Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The > local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the > presence of a National Park. > > Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visi

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser wrote: > Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The > local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the > presence of a National Park. > > Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visi

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Fleming
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Patricia Seiser wrote: > Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The > local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the > presence of a National Park. > > Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visi

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Patricia Seiser
Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visiting the NP, but also benefit from the "publicity/advertisement" gener

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Patricia Seiser
Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visiting the NP, but also benefit from the "publicity/advertisement" gener

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

2013-01-18 Thread Patricia Seiser
Non-closure of Mammoth Cave is not just a monetary issue for the NSS. The local communities are very dependent on the tourism generated by the presence of a National Park. Not only do they reap the benefits of the tourists visiting the NP, but also benefit from the "publicity/advertisement" gener

[Texascavers] Gravity light update

2013-01-18 Thread dirtdoc
Noon on Friday. There was just an interview with the creator on NPR on Science Friday. http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=13994790   I just listened to it - interesting. There was more information than in the video link earlier, especially talking about the efficie

[Texascavers] Gravity light update

2013-01-18 Thread dirtdoc
Noon on Friday. There was just an interview with the creator on NPR on Science Friday. http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=13994790   I just listened to it - interesting. There was more information than in the video link earlier, especially talking about the efficie

[Texascavers] Gravity light update

2013-01-18 Thread dirtdoc
Noon on Friday. There was just an interview with the creator on NPR on Science Friday. http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=13994790   I just listened to it - interesting. There was more information than in the video link earlier, especially talking about the efficie

[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole

2013-01-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly b

[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole

2013-01-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly b

[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole

2013-01-18 Thread Mixon Bill
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly b

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mark Alman
Very, very nice job on this issue of the TC, Jill!   Enjoyed it immensely and Linda's interview with Pete Strickland was highly entertaining!   For those of you who aren't TSA members, Jill's superb work on the TEXAS CAVER is reason enough to join!     Keep up the great work!     Mark          

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mark Alman
Very, very nice job on this issue of the TC, Jill!   Enjoyed it immensely and Linda's interview with Pete Strickland was highly entertaining!   For those of you who aren't TSA members, Jill's superb work on the TEXAS CAVER is reason enough to join!     Keep up the great work!     Mark          

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mark Alman
Very, very nice job on this issue of the TC, Jill!   Enjoyed it immensely and Linda's interview with Pete Strickland was highly entertaining!   For those of you who aren't TSA members, Jill's superb work on the TEXAS CAVER is reason enough to join!     Keep up the great work!     Mark          

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mimi Jasek
As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was wel

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mimi Jasek
As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was wel

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

2013-01-18 Thread Mimi Jasek
As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was wel