Re: [SWR] Daughters of Radon

>It is a great name! >Jtml It makes me think of the Sousa march Daughters of Texas (Lee Skinner will know the tune too). --Donald ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/

Re: [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

>I remember now the name of that cave near Cody that I visited with John >Corcoran and Sandy Szerlip in 1969. It was Spirit Mountain Cave. Does >anyone know if that one is radioactive as well? > >Lee Skinner I don't know, but that's an interesting question, since Spirit Mtn. Cave is in t

Re: [SWR] Daughters of Radon

dirt...@comcast.net wrote: >Daughters of Radon - following the Natural Trap thread > > >The monitoring in Carlsbad started around 1975 or 1976. The discovery of >high levels of radon in Carlsbad Caverns caught all the federal cave >management folks off guard. The "Daughters of Radon" concern re

Re: [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

Louise Power wrote: >Apparently you don't remember me=2C but I remember you from when I was cavi= >ng in TX. I worked on several of the TSA projects in the area. I moderated = >the discussion between cavers=2C other conservationists=2C and NPS when the= >y were talking about putting the tram in t

Re: [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

Louise Power wrote: >You know=2C when I worked at Carlsbad Caverns=2C one of the techs came thro= >ugh several times a day with a device that sampled the air for radon. There= > were four separate areas in the Caverns which were monitored--entrance pas= >sage=2C interior rooms around the Queen's

Re: [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

"Ormsby, Matthew A" wrote: >Carl, your question just posted, there are completely different guidelines >for mining uranium as well. It's said caves breathe, mines don't. If >that's true there is air exchange and subsequently radon removal in caves >(which leads to consistent levels of radon- n

Re: [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

Carl Pagano wrote: >Don't know. I heard rumors that the reason that Holy Sheep was open only = >to one trip a year was because the geiger counter had registered either = >max, or close to it. Paha Sapa Grotto in Wyoming would have a better = >idea, but I was hoping that someone here, including Do

Re: [SWR] Radio interview on Ft Stanton Cave exploration on Friday, July 18

>John, > >> KRSN radio station (1490 AM and 107.1 FM) in Los Alamos asked to >> interview me this Friday morning at 7:40 AM MDT, about the Ft Stanton >> Cave work that is ongoing. I want to make some comparisons with the >> glorious days of big discoveries in Mammoth Cave, KY, and what is >> ha

Re: [SWR] Is this hole that appeared in Siberia a sinkhole or a blowout

Jerry wrote: >Given the presence of both thermogenic and biogenic gas in the subsurface i= >n that area, I'd hazard a guess that the feature is a methane hydrate blowo= >ut and collapse feature developed in the permafrost. These seepages will mo= >st likely be occurring more often as the Arctic a

Re: [SWR] Is this hole that appeared in Siberia a sinkhole or a blowout

Michael Lorimer wrote: >It looks like a sinkhole or some kind of > collapse from the air.  However, an oblique view looks like > there is elevation along the sides, which would imply an > explosion.  What do you think face="Times New Roman">? > >http://

Re: [SWR] Penny Boston featured in July National Geographic

Louise Power wrote: >that's the article i was talking about. June issue. Space article in July i= >ssue. No, not just the June issue; there's also a China cave article in the July issue. I think it said it's "Part 2" of the one in the June issue.

Re: [SWR] Penny Boston featured in July National Geographic

Louise Power wrote: >Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Have the mag=2C just haven't had= > time to read the article. I really loved last month's article on the caves= > of China. > >> From: dgda...@nyx.net >> Date: Mon=2C 7 Jul 2014 09:06:59 -0600 >> To: s...@caver.net >> Subject: [SWR]

[SWR] Penny Boston featured in July National Geographic

The lead article in the July 2014 National Geographic is about the search for life beyond Earth, and opens with an account of Penelope Boston demonstrating the "snottites" of Cueva de Villa Luz and their relevance to finding extraterrestrial life. It's interesting reading.

[SWR] E-mail etiquette

> This all I can think of at the moment. Perhaps others have pet = >e-mail peeves that they would like to bring up? Of course none of us = >are guilty of any of these things! It is always someone else that does = >all this. :-) > >Steve Peerman I surely do have pet peeves. By far th

Re: [SWR] Scientologists in New Mexico?

Louise Power wrote: >I saw an article online this morning about the ten most secure vaults in th= >e world. One of them said that the Church of Scientology has its records st= >ored in a vault in a cave in New Mexico. True? Which one? Where? A little Web searching yields assertions that

Re: [SWR] BLM New Mexico White-Nose Syndrome Strategy Update

Ken Harrington wrote: >Hi folks=2C >=20 >Below are two e-mails. =20 >=20 >The first is Mr. Juen's reply to my missive (the second letter below) which= > I wrote to him on the 9th of May. I wrote this before I became aware of t= >he FOIA being drafted. =20 >=20 >While it took Mr. Juen almost a mo

Re: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM

Louise Power wrote: >Email bombing and bullying are not productive ways of dealing with a= >ny executive. Citizens sending critical e-mails to federal employees can be annoying, but it is not bullying. Bullying is a power-relations affair, something done by the stronger to the weaker.

Re: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM

Louise Power wrote: > [Aaron Stockton] also said t= >hat many of the closed caves are being managed under cooperative management= > and cost share agreements. He said that the district gave the Ft. Stanton = >study group (don't know what their official name is) $100,000 this year t= >o help with

Re: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM

> This should be an opportunity to clean the slate of recent cave = >management practices by the BLM in New Mexico. When the evidence is = >there for us to examine, can we proceed with a plan, incorporating the = >scientific evidence now available, that appropriately protects our bats, = >but

Re: [SWR] New World's Oldest Skeleton Found in the Yucatan

Victor Polyak wrote: >Hi Donald, > >Excellent comment. I am not the one to really address your comment, but I >can say that what is significant about this find is that Naia did look >different than Native Americans today, and because Paleoamerican >morphology of Kenniwick man for example was

[SWR] (no subject)

Pete Lindsley wrote: >Here's another link from this morning's Albuquerque Journal, with = >additional information from UNM which was involved in the dating = >process. They ran Dr. Victor Polyak's photo on the front page, so it was = >a nice surprise to see a local caver appear on the front page

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

Mark Minton wrote: > Early on in discussions of the spread of WNS it was pointed >out that Howe Caverns (where WNS was first detected) is only 40 miles >from the Port of Albany. An infected bat could very easily have >hitched a ride from Europe to the US on a boat and then taken up >r

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

"William Tucker" wrote: > I haven't seen anyone discussing this; possibly because the news has >not gotten around, yet. I just received this press announcement. > > >May 6, 2014 > >A service of the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife >Conservatio

Re: [SWR] True cavers

Peter Jones wrote: >Donald, I may have been with you on that trip in 1969. That may also = >have been the trip when you made the major bypass discovery in Groaning = >(with me dragged along with you) in the ever so early days of its = >exploration. It's always a pleasure to read about your cavi

Re: [SWR] True cavers

dirt...@comcast.net wrote: >You will recall that I never claimed to be a "true caver".=20 > >Dwight=20 > >- Original Message - > >From: "Harvey DuChene" =20 >To: "Jim Evatt" =20 >Cc: dirt...@comcast.net=20 >Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:46:53 AM=20 >Subject: RE: [SWR] Big Room=20 > >Jim,

Re: [SWR] Big Room

"Harvey DuChene" wrote: > I also remember something about Donald Davis digging = >in some Fort Stanton breakdown and finding a smallish room. Upon = >entering this smallish room, he allegedly stated that = >=E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ve come into an Immense Chamber.=E2=80=9D I think = >this quickly becam

Re: [SWR] My late night thoughts during insomnia

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >Why aren't there more helicmites? There are some references to "heligmites" in the literature; I consider the term unnecessary, because helictites typically have little or no response to gravity, and are the same structures and have the same origin no matter w

Re: [SWR] A New Thread: Crawlways

Ken Harrington wrote: >In 1966 or 1967 four of us set off for a two day dig in Russell's Crawl. M= >embers of the party as I remember were Gary Davis=2C Ed Glenn=2C Ed Snyder = >and myself. We entered the cave on Friday evening and proceeded to the dig= > face at the end of Russell's Crawl

Re: [SWR] Artificial gill for cave divers?

John Corcoran wrote: >Thanks Donald, > >That echoes my thoughts that it would take a lot of energy to process enough >water for a human to use the oxygen, but couldn't to do the calculation on >average human consumption per unit time vs. how much oxygen is available per >unit volume of water (ass

Re: [SWR] Artificial gill for cave divers?

o draw the oxygen in, >although perhaps that's supposed to be aided by the micro compressor. >And what keeps it from getting clogged? > >Mark > >At 01:08 PM 1/16/2014, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote: >>"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >> >> >Too good to be true?

Re: [SWR] Artificial gill for cave divers?

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >Too good to be true? > >http://tinyurl.com/ltgrjlf Yes, it's not real; no such working device actually exists. Just one of many physical issues: to extract enough oxygen to support human breathing, it would have to process so much water that it would behave as

Re: [SWR] Tienkengs

dirt...@comcast.net wrote: >Tienkengs=20 > >National Geographic - Mystery Caves Of Guangxi=20 > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwiYn-DeQjL8=20 > >A production of the National Geographic Channel in conjunction with Chinese= > television CCTV-9=20 > >I have been asked to provide some clarification

Re: [SWR] icicles and stal WHOOPS, here is the message.

Penny Boston wrote: >> This "ripple" pattern is observed only on icicles (and stalactites?) >> that are growing via deposition on the exterior surfaces. Soda-straws and >> helictites are fed from internal canals (water-drop diameter in straws; >> capillary size in helictites), and can't be

Re: [SWR] icicles and stal

>Does anyone know if geologists/mineralogists have looked into this for stal= >agtites/helictites? Could helictites be more "salty" than normal soda stra= >ws? >https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ripple-effect >Jen This "ripple" pattern is observed only on icicles (and stalactites?) that a

Re: [SWR] Clarification

>Carl, et al. > >Here is an interview with Jim Goodbar about the Spirit World at the Top of >the Cross dome in Carlsbad Caverns describing the first exploration: >http://www.nps.gov/cave/planyourvisit/upload/chu_20031215.pdf. The interview >was done on the 18th anniversary of the original explor

Re: [SWR] Clarification

Carl Pagano wrote: >Hi. >I understood from way back, that a helium balloon with a balsa wood frame >and a small cord was floated up to an outcropping leading to Spirit World. >>From there a rope was pulled through, and Donald Davis and a few others >managed to get up there and explore. > How

Re: [SWR] Carlsbad Cavern: old lead goes to big new room in Spirit World

>may I publish this in SW Cavers? >thanks. > >Carol I don't see why not, since Derek Bristol said it's fine to talk about it. I didn't think to ask if his team got any photographs. --Donald _

[SWR] Carlsbad Cavern: old lead goes to big new room in Spirit World

Appended below is interesting correspondence with Derek Bristol. --Donald --- From: Derek Bristol Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:22:31 -0700 To: "DONALD G. DAVIS" Subject: Re: Spirit World Discovery I can't sa

Re: [SWR] Snake Dance/robotic snakes

>> As Choset cautions, there are no robotic snakes commercially available = >for any purpose and their range is still limited by the length of their = >tethers, which on relatively flat ground might only be 300 to 400 feet. I'd have liked to see more details about how "robotic snakes" work.

Re: [SWR] Dilation theory

Julia Germany wrote: > Hi Donald! > >MANY THANKS for providing the original document. From beginning to end, I = >couldn't help but wonder if Hunter S Thompson was part of the road trip dur= >ing which this paper was written, or were you just channeling him at the ti= >me. No, I haven't

Re: [SWR] Dilation theory.

Penny Boston wrote: >At last, the Unified Hole Theory of the universe. I see Stockholm in your >future. >P Well, most of the universe is just a big, dark cave, dilated starting with the inflation episode. H--I see implications for the identification of dark matter and dark energ

Re: [SWR] Dilation theory

I'll attach a copy of my digital version here. --Donald dilation.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr _

Re: [SWR] Dilation theory.

Penny Boston wrote: >Lee, > >> When I read this in 1983, I don't believe this paragraph was even there. >The "recent" sinkhole accident of which you speak occurred in Brandon, >Florida on February 28 of 2013! It's as if this paragraph suddenly >appeared in your article to be read in the pres

Re: [SWR] Dilation theory.

>http://www.marckbeggs.com/ALF/2000/taylor.html > >Reference's "The Donald's" theory with excerpts. Interesting reading. Woul= >d love to read Mr. Davis' publication, in English or German - apparently it= > was also widely translated > >julia germany > > >-Original Message- >From: Pete

Re: [SWR] Exciting News!

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >As many of you know, the 16th International Congress of Speleology (the >international version of the National Speleological Society -- NSS) > just concluded today in Brno, Czech Republic. FSCSP Board Member >John Moses is also the International Secretary of the NSS

Re: [SWR] Exciting News!

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >As many of you know, the 16th International Congress of Speleology (the >international version of the National Speleological Society -- NSS) > just concluded today in Brno, Czech Republic. FSCSP Board Member >John Moses is also the International Secretary of the NSS

Re: [SWR] Exciting News!

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >As many of you know, the 16th International Congress of Speleology (the >international version of the National Speleological Society -- NSS) > just concluded today in Brno, Czech Republic. FSCSP Board Member >John Moses is also the International Secretary of the NSS

Re: [SWR] 2 FSC articles of interest

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >Other than the misspelling of Speleophiles, the following article >appeared in the Conservation Lands Foundation newsletter: > >http://conservationlands.org/speliophiles-unite-in-new-mexico > >(see full newsletter at http://conservationlands.org/) It also says t

Re: [SWR] 2 FSC articles of interest

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >Other than the misspelling of Speleophiles, the following article >appeared in the Conservation Lands Foundation newsletter: > >http://conservationlands.org/speliophiles-unite-in-new-mexico > >(see full newsletter at http://conservationlands.org/) It also says t

Re: [SWR] 2 FSC articles of interest

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: >Other than the misspelling of Speleophiles, the following article >appeared in the Conservation Lands Foundation newsletter: > >http://conservationlands.org/speliophiles-unite-in-new-mexico > >(see full newsletter at http://conservationlands.org/) It also says t

Re: [SWR] Cavers present study project to U.S. Sen. Heinrich

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: > From the Carlsbad Current-Argus: > >http://tinyurl.com/ljpk93f > >Lee Skinner "Snowy River bats"? Guess we have a new species here... --Donald ___ SWR mailing l

Re: [SWR] Cavers present study project to U.S. Sen. Heinrich

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: > From the Carlsbad Current-Argus: > >http://tinyurl.com/ljpk93f > >Lee Skinner "Snowy River bats"? Guess we have a new species here... --Donald ___ SWR mailing l

Re: [SWR] Cavers present study project to U.S. Sen. Heinrich

"Lee H. Skinner" wrote: > From the Carlsbad Current-Argus: > >http://tinyurl.com/ljpk93f > >Lee Skinner "Snowy River bats"? Guess we have a new species here... --Donald ___ SWR mailing l

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

>I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have been >confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off camera. I >gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 leagues under the >sea" where it was referring to distance and not depth; but, she didn't tak

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

>I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have been >confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off camera. I >gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 leagues under the >sea" where it was referring to distance and not depth; but, she didn't tak

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

>I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have been >confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off camera. I >gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 leagues under the >sea" where it was referring to distance and not depth; but, she didn't tak

Re: [SWR] Old Faithful's underground cavern discovered

>A chamber 50 feet tall and 60 feet wide under Old Faithful: > >http://tinyurl.com/c8ygqhv > >Does anyone want to survey it between eruptions? :-) > >Lee Skinner It would be interesting to know if the non-thermal, carbon-dioxide- driven geysers in Colorado and Utah also penetrate sizable ch

Re: [SWR] Old Faithful's underground cavern discovered

>A chamber 50 feet tall and 60 feet wide under Old Faithful: > >http://tinyurl.com/c8ygqhv > >Does anyone want to survey it between eruptions? :-) > >Lee Skinner It would be interesting to know if the non-thermal, carbon-dioxide- driven geysers in Colorado and Utah also penetrate sizable ch

Re: [SWR] Old Faithful's underground cavern discovered

>A chamber 50 feet tall and 60 feet wide under Old Faithful: > >http://tinyurl.com/c8ygqhv > >Does anyone want to survey it between eruptions? :-) > >Lee Skinner It would be interesting to know if the non-thermal, carbon-dioxide- driven geysers in Colorado and Utah also penetrate sizable ch

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

>The WNS scare is a wonderful example of the National Cave Protection Act >being used against the very people who championed its establishment. The Act >has had a lot of beneficial results, but WNS paranoia has provided an >opportunity for the sword to cut the other way. Be careful what you wish >f

[SWR] What are these weird Antarctic pits?

>Hi Lee & SWR list, > >You may be interested to hear I will be using flying robots to explore >the ice caves on Mt Erebus this December as part of my PhD project at >New Mexico Tech. I am currently testing an xAircraft X650 frame with the >open-source ArduPilotMega 2 flight controller. I hope to

[SWR] What are these weird Antarctic pits?

>Hi Lee & SWR list, > >You may be interested to hear I will be using flying robots to explore >the ice caves on Mt Erebus this December as part of my PhD project at >New Mexico Tech. I am currently testing an xAircraft X650 frame with the >open-source ArduPilotMega 2 flight controller. I hope to

[SWR] What are these weird Antarctic pits?

>Hi Lee & SWR list, > >You may be interested to hear I will be using flying robots to explore >the ice caves on Mt Erebus this December as part of my PhD project at >New Mexico Tech. I am currently testing an xAircraft X650 frame with the >open-source ArduPilotMega 2 flight controller. I hope to

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Cave articles in Spiegel (German weekly)

>Mark, >You'd be the best to answer this, wasn't calcium carbide a byproduct of something else, and used to produce commercial acetylene gas quantities? What is the current practice to get the gas? >john Lyles No, calcium carbide was never a byproduct. It was, from the late 1800s, and stil

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Cave articles in Spiegel (German weekly)

>Mark, >You'd be the best to answer this, wasn't calcium carbide a byproduct of something else, and used to produce commercial acetylene gas quantities? What is the current practice to get the gas? >john Lyles No, calcium carbide was never a byproduct. It was, from the late 1800s, and stil

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Cave articles in Spiegel (German weekly)

>Mark, >You'd be the best to answer this, wasn't calcium carbide a byproduct of something else, and used to produce commercial acetylene gas quantities? What is the current practice to get the gas? >john Lyles No, calcium carbide was never a byproduct. It was, from the late 1800s, and stil

Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this. > >- Original Message - >From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net > >Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate > >

Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this. > >- Original Message - >From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net > >Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate > >

Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this. > >- Original Message - >From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net > >Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate > >

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

>Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava >tube? > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 > >and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg > >Lee Skinner Maybe, bu

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

>Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava >tube? > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 > >and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg > >Lee Skinner Maybe, bu

Re: [SWR] Martian sinkhole

>Could this entrance have been triggered by a meteor falling over a lava >tube? > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 > >and click on this one in your browser for maximum detail: > >http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2011/details/cut/ESP_023531_1840.jpg > >Lee Skinner Maybe, bu

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] How Bats Avoid Clutter

>BTW, if anyone has a subscription to Science and can download the full >PDF of the article from their website, I would appreciate a copy. > >--Jim I was able to download it the .PDF at the Colorado State University Library, and am sending it to Jim Kennedy in a separate message.

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] How Bats Avoid Clutter

>BTW, if anyone has a subscription to Science and can download the full >PDF of the article from their website, I would appreciate a copy. > >--Jim I was able to download it the .PDF at the Colorado State University Library, and am sending it to Jim Kennedy in a separate message.

Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] How Bats Avoid Clutter

>BTW, if anyone has a subscription to Science and can download the full >PDF of the article from their website, I would appreciate a copy. > >--Jim I was able to download it the .PDF at the Colorado State University Library, and am sending it to Jim Kennedy in a separate message.

Re: [SWR] BLM Fort Stanton-Snowy River NCA draft management plan

>HI all, > At the Memorial Day Regional I discussed the BLM's Fort Stanton- >Snowy River Cave NCA Draft Management plan which is available for >public comment until June 9, 2011. Several asked me to post the on >line address so they could look at it. The address is: http:// >www.blm.go

Re: [SWR] BLM Fort Stanton-Snowy River NCA draft management plan

>HI all, > At the Memorial Day Regional I discussed the BLM's Fort Stanton- >Snowy River Cave NCA Draft Management plan which is available for >public comment until June 9, 2011. Several asked me to post the on >line address so they could look at it. The address is: http:// >www.blm.go

Re: [SWR] BLM Fort Stanton-Snowy River NCA draft management plan

>HI all, > At the Memorial Day Regional I discussed the BLM's Fort Stanton- >Snowy River Cave NCA Draft Management plan which is available for >public comment until June 9, 2011. Several asked me to post the on >line address so they could look at it. The address is: http:// >www.blm.go

Re: [SWR] LNF Issues

>Our research team has been studying Cottonwood and Hidden for many years = >and I agree with Harv that bats are apparently not interested in these = >caves. I have never been to Sentinel. > >Thanks Ken for giving us an update, >Penny Of all the upper Guadalupe Mountains caves known to me

Re: [SWR] [NMCAVER] Fw: Breaking News - NM's El Malpais National

Stephen Fleming wrote: >a) No demonstrated human vector; pure, unsubstantiated speculation in >every announcement to date as to a human component. True, and there is also a plausible counter-vector in every case. I formerly supposed that the original WNS focus at Howe Caverns, NY mu

Re: [NMCAVER] USFS Region 2 cave closures coming

John Lyles wrote: >>From what I have read of it, the upcoming >change in region 2 has caught a lot of Colorado cavers unexpectedly. >Better communication with the USFS managers, esp biologists, may have been >helpful here, early on. Then I read that some cavers are in the loop, so >it

Re: [NMCAVER] Karst topography found on Saturn's moon Titan

and/or gypsum present. Here's the geologic map and stratigraphic column for your perusal. Posted by J.P. Buchanan at 7:09 AM http://geology.utah.gov/online/mp/mp08-3.pdf --Donald >On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:40 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote: > >

Re: [NMCAVER] Karst topography found on Saturn's moon Titan

>See the article at: > >http://is.gd/9IEMJ > >Anyone up for a trip? > >Lee Skinner Does anyone know where White Canyon, Utah is, and its geologic context? I'm skeptical that the "karst" terrain image shown there at the above Web site displays limestone karst topography--though some feat

Re: [NMCAVER] NPR pictures/story of Alex's radio test

>Story updated with text at: > >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123116417 Just wondering: does the digital "texting" cave radio have any particular advantages over the voice-transmitting radios of similar range that have existed for decades? Is it perhaps more economi

Re: [NMCAVER] Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids

> >Interesting cave news story at: > >http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/08/13/caves-giza.html > >Lee Skinner "We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue"? Sounds a little fishy--let's see if it's confirmed. H. P. Lovecraft would have been delighted with th

Re: [NMCAVER] Latest WNS Info

>USFWS is currently going th= >rough something called Structured Decision Making (SDM), examining a range = >of intervention options for this front zone. They range from doing nothing,= > to full eradication of bats. Do they have evidence that the fungus is an obligate parasite of bats?

Re: [NMCAVER] More on Bat Heaters

> Below is a post by Diana Tomchick from Texascavers about the = >heated bat house proposal to help bats survive WNS. > >Mark Minton There's nothing to lose by trying it, but warming the bats is very unlikely to help, unless they can be fed at the same time. Bat species that hibern

Re: [NMCAVER] Big underground thermal lake unveiled in Hungary

>This is the biggest active, water-filled thermal water cave and hall in >the world," speleologist Sandor Kalinovits, one of the lake's >discoverers, said during a tour of the cave below one of Budapest's more >affluent residential districts. > >The lake, discovered earlier this year, lies in a

Re: [NMCAVER] Fossilized Feces in Cave

>From: "Minton, Mark" >14,300 year old human feces found in an Oregon cave >http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080403141109.htm There were several other cave-related items linked to that page; the most interesting to me was one claiming that the Jenolan Caves in Australia ar

Re: [NMCAVER] Centralia Mouth of Hell

> To go along with the Turkmenistan Door to Hell, there is a similar si= >tuation much closer to home in Centralia, PA: om/2007/03/centralia-mouth-of-hell.html>. > >Mark Minton Multiple coal mine fires have been active for a century or so near New Cast

Re: [NMCAVER] Turkmenistan's Door to Hell

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Re: [NMCAVER] Shetland Attack Pony

>John, > >I've been reading with some interest the discussion on the Cave Digger's >list about the supposedly great attributes of the Shetland Attack Pony >survey instrument. Has one been used in Fort Stanton Cave? > >Lee I've never heard of it before, and doubt that it's been used in

[NMCAVER] Sulfuric-acid speleogenesis in popular culture

It seems that sulfuric-acid speleogenesis is now a 100% mainstream idea; it's gotten into game shows! I watched "Jeopardy" yesterday. The episode had a category "Welcome to Carlsbad Caverns." It had questions on the stalactites, cave swallows, bats, etc. The $2,000 item: "the cave was for

Re: [NMCAVER] Helicopter charters?

Excerpted from Ray Keeler's message of March 2: >Fred Luiser, et. at. NPS, GRCA, helicopter insert and later extraction for >approved archeo. project Where did this information come from? Assuming that Fred "Luiser" actually refers to Dr. Fred Luiszer of the University of Colorado,

Re: [NMCAVER] Helicopter charters?

>Hi Donald, > > I was also on several of those flights from the Park Entrance to the >bluff overlooking the Lech entrance. We were shuttling rope and gear we >used in the rescue that was carried in a large cargo net back to the >caverns. I remember donning flights suits and that the pilot was proud

Re: [NMCAVER] Helicopter charters?

> Donald Davis said: > >>More recently I believe the rules are much tighter, but it has still been = >possible for authorized research teams to land in remote parts of the Park > > A few years ago Bill Stone and a small group of us considered trying = >to dive the sump at the back of Thun

Re: [NMCAVER] Helicopter charters?

>Has anybody out there ever used a chartered helicopter to visit remote cave >locations? I'm guessing I would have heard about it if anyone had, but my >momma taught me it never hurts to ask. I know it has been done in the Grand >Canyon, but I believe that the fellow who did that is no longer alive