Like George, I'll defer to Crash and other biologists. But it seems to me the
hipster Congress Street Bridge bats always take off down river (actually Lady
Bird Lake at this point) and follow the very wide river out of town as they
rise higher. They don't seem to fly right over the hotels and c
grease and oil are relatively light.
5 gals of water would be closer to 42 lbs
5 gals of broken up limestone weighs about 60 lbs
5 gals of solid limestone would be more like 114 lbs.
Soil would be somewhere between water and gravel.
How do I know this?
Landscape Architecture is my trade. rocks and
a cubic foot of Texas Limestone weighs about 163-171 lbs.
That is the figure from which I derived the 5 gal weight of 114 lbs. 1 cu ft =
7.48 gals.
The chert nodules contained within our limestone seem to be heavier.
--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Preston Forsythe wrote:
> From: Preston Forsythe
> Sub
Like George, I'll defer to Crash and other biologists. But it seems to me the
hipster Congress Street Bridge bats always take off down river (actually Lady
Bird Lake at this point) and follow the very wide river out of town as they
rise higher. They don't seem to fly right over the hotels and c
I look forward to the day we may explore caves while auto-3D-mapping with our
smart phones.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7489/20140524/google-project-tango-3d-mapping-tablets-may-be-the-ipad-killer-the-world-is-waiting-for.htm
sounds even better than the x-box mapper we saw at TSA conventio
If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the
leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush.
best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil
c
Cave Without a Name has some bear claw marks on the wall. The owner, Tom,
pointed them out to me on the wall as you approach the stream passage. They
aren't highlighted for tourists because they could be easily damaged.
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 2:47 AM, David wrote:
> A caver in the San Anto
If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast.
the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush.
best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil
My most memorable solo trip was probably the time I decided to go seek
myself after my first painful nightmare enducing divorce. It must have been
1993 or so. Summertime in central California. I don't remember everything I had
in my backpack. But I felt it was suitable for my planned overni
Thank you James.
Just a side note on the safety issue-
I felt particularly safe and slept very well, nightmare free even, because I
was secure in the belief that my ex-husband would not show up there to murder
me, which was a very real fear during that time. The fact that no one knew
where I
Like George, I'll defer to Crash and other biologists. But it seems to me the
hipster Congress Street Bridge bats always take off down river (actually Lady
Bird Lake at this point) and follow the very wide river out of town as they
rise higher. They don't seem to fly right over the hotels and c
grease and oil are relatively light.
5 gals of water would be closer to 42 lbs
5 gals of broken up limestone weighs about 60 lbs
5 gals of solid limestone would be more like 114 lbs.
Soil would be somewhere between water and gravel.
How do I know this?
Landscape Architecture is my trade. rocks and
a cubic foot of Texas Limestone weighs about 163-171 lbs.
That is the figure from which I derived the 5 gal weight of 114 lbs. 1 cu ft =
7.48 gals.
The chert nodules contained within our limestone seem to be heavier.
--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Preston Forsythe wrote:
> From: Preston Forsythe
> Sub
grease and oil are relatively light.
5 gals of water would be closer to 42 lbs
5 gals of broken up limestone weighs about 60 lbs
5 gals of solid limestone would be more like 114 lbs.
Soil would be somewhere between water and gravel.
How do I know this?
Landscape Architecture is my trade. rocks and
a cubic foot of Texas Limestone weighs about 163-171 lbs.
That is the figure from which I derived the 5 gal weight of 114 lbs. 1 cu ft =
7.48 gals.
The chert nodules contained within our limestone seem to be heavier.
--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Preston Forsythe wrote:
> From: Preston Forsythe
> Sub
Many of you already know, but I haven't seen an announcement here on
texascavers yet.
Tragically, we lost one of our own unexpectedly and suddenly this week. Caver,
Nathan Parker passed away of a heart attack. He was just a fine human being and
will be greatly missed. I'm sure I'm not the o
Alright, all you musically inclined friends, cavers and associates of Nathan
out there- Nathan needs a good lively New Orleans style 2nd line parade at his
wake. Whose in? No experience necessary. I can have several shakers,
tambourines, kazoos and what not on hand for those who don't have a tr
check this out http://bit.ly/TcYEy6
Another reason you're mileage will drop is that the increased tire diameter
will raise you slightly higher relative to the ground, which will increase your
wind resistance. Wind resistance is the main reason mileage drops so fast at
higher speeds too.
-Vivian Loftin
--- On Wed, 8/1/12, Mimi Ja
I think it is ridiculous to think Kiwi Sink is a conflict with Sunday Swin-
Just my 2 cents.
--- On Wed, 8/8/12, pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
wrote:
> From: pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink vs Sunday Swim
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 8
Who's got a good cave trip planned for this weekend? Unexpectedly, I have the 3
day weekend off. I need to go caving.
-Vivian Loftin
There is a loophole:
"Under the government plan, which still must be approved by the regional
head of the Forest Service and could go into effect as early as June,
cavers and others could apply for a permit to explore caves if they
agree to decontamination and other measures designed to protect
Many of you already know, but I haven't seen an announcement here on
texascavers yet.
Tragically, we lost one of our own unexpectedly and suddenly this week. Caver,
Nathan Parker passed away of a heart attack. He was just a fine human being and
will be greatly missed. I'm sure I'm not the o
Alright, all you musically inclined friends, cavers and associates of Nathan
out there- Nathan needs a good lively New Orleans style 2nd line parade at his
wake. Whose in? No experience necessary. I can have several shakers,
tambourines, kazoos and what not on hand for those who don't have a tr
check this out http://bit.ly/TcYEy6
Another reason you're mileage will drop is that the increased tire diameter
will raise you slightly higher relative to the ground, which will increase your
wind resistance. Wind resistance is the main reason mileage drops so fast at
higher speeds too.
-Vivian Loftin
--- On Wed, 8/1/12, Mimi Ja
I think it is ridiculous to think Kiwi Sink is a conflict with Sunday Swin-
Just my 2 cents.
--- On Wed, 8/8/12, pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
wrote:
> From: pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink vs Sunday Swim
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 8
Who's got a good cave trip planned for this weekend? Unexpectedly, I have the 3
day weekend off. I need to go caving.
-Vivian Loftin
There is a loophole:
"Under the government plan, which still must be approved by the regional
head of the Forest Service and could go into effect as early as June,
cavers and others could apply for a permit to explore caves if they
agree to decontamination and other measures designed to protect
Many of you already know, but I haven't seen an announcement here on
texascavers yet.
Tragically, we lost one of our own unexpectedly and suddenly this week. Caver,
Nathan Parker passed away of a heart attack. He was just a fine human being and
will be greatly missed. I'm sure I'm not the o
Alright, all you musically inclined friends, cavers and associates of Nathan
out there- Nathan needs a good lively New Orleans style 2nd line parade at his
wake. Whose in? No experience necessary. I can have several shakers,
tambourines, kazoos and what not on hand for those who don't have a tr
check this out http://bit.ly/TcYEy6
Another reason you're mileage will drop is that the increased tire diameter
will raise you slightly higher relative to the ground, which will increase your
wind resistance. Wind resistance is the main reason mileage drops so fast at
higher speeds too.
-Vivian Loftin
--- On Wed, 8/1/12, Mimi Ja
I think it is ridiculous to think Kiwi Sink is a conflict with Sunday Swin-
Just my 2 cents.
--- On Wed, 8/8/12, pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
wrote:
> From: pstrickla...@austin.rr.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink vs Sunday Swim
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 8
Who's got a good cave trip planned for this weekend? Unexpectedly, I have the 3
day weekend off. I need to go caving.
-Vivian Loftin
There is a loophole:
"Under the government plan, which still must be approved by the regional
head of the Forest Service and could go into effect as early as June,
cavers and others could apply for a permit to explore caves if they
agree to decontamination and other measures designed to protect
David posted a few of them a few days ago. I deleted that. But I know that
Aimee Beveridge, Julie Jenkins, and Vivian Loftin were among them. (of course,
I remember only the UT grotto members, including myself. vanity vanity).
-- Original message from "J. LaRue Thomas"
: --
Just to help flush out the thank you list a little more:
Bill Stephens did a bang-up job on the speleolympics, with a lot of help from
the multitudes.
Rod Goke- In addition to being sound-engineer for the Terminal Syphons, which
was a full time job for at least 5 days straight, not counting
Steve'smargin of error was actually .02 inches. Way less than 2 cm. He
brought his own equipment from Nevada, and spenta lot of time on it. It is
greatly appreciated. I'll be doing awrite up on the results. It's not often we
get a chance to compare severalsurvey team's (seven to be exact) da
Apparently you do have to be on facebook to view the photos :-(
-- Original message from Frank Binney :
--
> I first met Bill Steele when we were young JV surveyors with CRF at Mammoth
> Cave circa 1969--1970. He was from Indiana and I was from Missouri at the
> time.
>>"Lechuguilla, the cave the action takesplace in has been largely
>>fictionalized both for plot and because, topreserve it, the NPS has closed
>>the cave to visitors."<<
It's true the cave is closed to sport caving, nevertheless, Nevada Barr did
actually go there as prep for her book. Some
Yes, it's illegal, and whether it was illegal or not, it is horrible stuff.
Full of sulphur. Highly polluting.
Ionce had a fellow delivering rocks to a job site of mine drag groundwith his
fuel tank. He spilled about 70 gallons of that illegal redcrap down the
driveway of my job. My client
And of course, musn't forget the spectacular Terminal Siphons at the
Campground party Wednesday night.
This is a band made up of all cavers, but despite that, they will shake your
dancning shoes off!!
-- Original message from Mixon Bill :
--
> "On Wednesdays of ea
And... It's been done. the dancin' part, anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azp51-9XRtQ
-- Original message from Lyndon Tiu :
--
> germa...@aol.com wrote:
> > I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope that the band is allowed to play past 11
> > pm. There are many bat
And here's another: but Nico's right, it's not the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azHqFabwZMQ&feature=related
-- Original message from Lyndon Tiu :
--
> Nico Escamilla wrote:
> > its not the same
> >
>
> Of course not. But better than nothing for us who have
I got the survey contest course for ICS layed out this weekend. I brought a
Leica, Total-Station professional land surveying instrument with the
intention of running a precision survey of the course. But I discovered that
there are a couple of technical details involved in getting it set u
Looks to me like that spike was "in" natural Bridge Caverns rather than
"around" it. He mentions that the gray background elevation data drops out when
he went underground because of the GPS not working then. Same thing for
Carlsbad & Sonora. Though Sonora looks relatively radiation free. I'm
I believe it is techically the largest "passage", not the largest room. After
all, it is 5km long, plus they compared it to Deer Cave which carries that
distinction. It is the Sarawak Chamber in Gook Luck Cave in the same park as
Deer Cave, which is the largest chamber.
details, details.
Hey Bill,
Nice write up. Thanks tons for sending that out to the masses.
I would think there needs to be a full accident analysis too, for posterity and
learning purposes.
One thing I realized as I read it is that you may not know the full story of
Joe Datri and John Kerr's trip, or how I ende
sorry about the reply all. I meant to send that last one just to Bill
forwarded from: Johanna Kovarik
Hey Everyone;
Forwardthis to anyone you think might be interested - I'm advertising for
2Geocorps interns to come up to the Tongass for 12 weeks during thesummer of
2009 (May - August) and help with reorganizing our cave data- basically, we
need two individua
David wrote:
>I am just curious which cave passages have you experienced your
worst encounter with bat guano.
The Vampire guano in Japones Cave in Mexico was pretty bad. Really deep red and
sticky-slimy gooey. And the vampires were in a complete frenzy filling the
passage and stirring up the
more evidence, from a linked research paper
"Worldwide there are several very different kinds of ants that exhibit extreme
repletism; all are properly called honey ants. One outstanding group; the genus
Myrmecocystus, occurs exclusively in western North America. Myrmecocystus
contains a d
this gets weirder and weirder.
When I click Mark's globalmapper link it takes me to this security web site:
http://sec-center.com/
When I type in the address by hand I get the same thing.
-Vivian
-- Original message from Mark Minton :
--
> Pete Lindsley sa
it's encouraging to see all the comments on the news story, every one berating
the idiot-sadists who did this.
-- Original message from jerryat...@aol.com: --
Pair Charged with Killing Endangered Bats
Two men have been indicted on federal charges of killing endange
Hi Jesse,
I spent a couple months there in the early 90's. It was awesome, my first
international trip. I wenton my own with 2 weeks notice and very little
prparation. I caved agood deal of the time. It's really easy to do. You don't
even have toknow anyone (but I will look up a few contacts I
yeah, I'm interested. Not sure if I can squeeze in to Raccoon Ramada, but I'll
find something to do. My shoulder is ready to try caving again.
-Vivian Loftin
From: Andy Zenker
To: George Veni
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; Cavetex
; Scott Kyle
Sent: Tue, December
Hey Ya'll,
My Amazing Truck is for sale. It's a 2003 3/4 ton Dodge 2500 quad-cab, long bed
w/ bed liner and roof rack. Runs great, fancy paint job. Single owner, well
maintained. I am religious about oil changes. My other car has 340,000 miles on
it, and is going strong, for instance.
More info
Fyi, he didn't actually free dive the full depth. the breath hold record is
less than half the depth of this hole. it was filmed over a few days.
this note, from the guy himself, accompanies the video:
"FREE FALL: World champion freediver Guillaume Nery special dive at
Dean's Blue Hole, the
just putting it in the mail has always worked for me. -Vivian
From: Nico Escamilla
To: Mailing List
Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:05:13 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Princeton Tec
Does anyone know if I need a return authorization number to send a light back
to
Pr
I found it on the Discovery Site just a few minutes ago. Yes, it was part of a
China series.
I hate to give them traffic on their site. That's a win for them, but I had to
see what I was complaining about.
From: Karen
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: Cavetex
Sent: Fr
The best caving in Malaysia is on the island of Borneo, not on the Peninsula.
But my old lonely planet guide does mention a cave in Taman Negara National
Park
on the peninsula. Its a 1 1/2 hour walk to Gua Tlinga (cave)from park
headquarters. "a stream runs through the cave and a rope guides yo
Yeah, and end the end it was cavers, Jean Krejca and Linda Palit, who were able
to get in and pull him (the body) out. That was after rescuers lowered the
water
level by 4" or so using huge pumps. It wasn't that they didn't know where he
was. It was a flood situation.
Tragic.
-- O
Until the price of gas actually reflects the costs of extracting it and using
it, (way more than the artificially low $3 or $4 per gallon we're talking
about) the earth is in serious jeopardy. The only thing that will ever make
people conserve is economic pressure. The price of each gallon of g
"This downward drainage
continued until great underground stream beds were cut out of solid rock. It is
this unusual combination of dissolving and cutting by water that makes Longhorn
Cavern one of the most unique caves of the world."
Yes, this is also one of the very very rare caves which
Sounds like a blast!
Very well though out, Alex. But howwill we get the broken balloons out of the
river? That latex can't begood for river fauna. Otherwise it's a perfect plan.
Maybe we just needa clean-up crew downstream with masks and snorkels.
-Vivian Loftin -- Original mes
So, just curious, but when you speak of "cave earth" or "dirt" you really mean
guano, right?
-Viv
-- Original message from "Minton, Mark" :
--
Bill Steele posted from TAGNet:
>A particular saltpeter producer in Jefferson County, TN made up 40,000# of
>gunp
So .. What did the Terminal Siphons do? They play the campground party
Wednesday night. Was there a shelter or a building? Their home-bound sax player
wants to know...
-Vivian Loftin
-- Original message from dirt...@comcast.net: --
Mark Minton's weather report is accu
Hi Charles,
I hope replying to this address is alright. It seems I was somehow bumped from
the list when you changed servers. This one from you is the last I've received
from the list. I have tried to re-subscribe by sending email messages to
subscr...@texascavers.com and I've tried sending
Tax deductions for cave voluteering is absolutely cave related and highly
relevant.
my 2 cents,
Vivian
-- Original message --
From: "Alex Sproul"
>
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Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
All I know is my body hurt a whole lot worse after Airmans than it does now.
And
I did the trip out of Honey Creek with nothing but 2 socks on one foot, and zip
ties holding the sole on the boot on the other foot. Of course, I did NOT carry
a tank at all. I just had the fins. But James does hav
In Borneo I observed that most species of bat which commonly inhabit the caves
of Gunung Buda (Sarawak, Malaysia), including some cave-roosting fruit bats,
tend to roost near the entrances. There, it is the swiftlets (birds) which
travel kms into the caves. They echolocate using clicks. They nes
David wrote:
> At least 3 of the Terminal Siphons are here, Lisa, Keith, and Albert.
> I hope they have a sax player this year.
Alas, I am unable to make it to Indiana this year, and we haven't heard from
Robin in at least a couple of years now. Surely Paul Burger will come with his
Air Saxoph
Just to clear this up for our foreign born readers-
The song from which all these Gory Gory lyrics are derived is The Battle Hymn
of the Republic circa the US civil war.
Yes it's religious. Yes it's political.
It's the unofficial anthem of the Republican Party.
It goes like this:
Mine eyes
Wow. I stayed with Michael and Sierra Brewer when I visited New Zealand in
1993. They are wonderfull, welcoming cavers. I've been to Greenlink Cave, too.
It's a challenging, wet, climby, vertical, fairly cold, marble cave. I hope
they don't have to take him through the low air crawl with the pit
Took 3 days, but they got him out OK.
Looks like it's going to be a long recovery, but he'll be alright.
More info:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1316907/1325468
-- Original message --
From: "Geary Schindel"
>
> FYI,
> I've been to this area of New Zealand and it ha
I've learned to tolerate, and even enjoy the off topic discussions of vehicles
on this listserve. LED household bulbs, google maps, and truck tents are
similarly interesting, if not directly cave related.
But I have to draw the line at blatant political rhetoric. This is not what
this list is
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