RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-22 Thread Louise Power
Good move. Too bad it wasn't permanent. From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails To: power_lou...@hotmail.com He does have a blog, which I encouraged him to use instead of posting random things to the list server,

RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-22 Thread Louise Power
Good move. Too bad it wasn't permanent. From: wo...@justfamily.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails To: power_lou...@hotmail.com He does have a blog, which I encouraged him to use instead of po

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Charles Goldsmith
ation goes to and might lower the heat surrounding this and > other issues. I also think he has a blog > > Louise > > -- > From: wo...@justfamily.org > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:42:47 -0500 > To: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com &

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Charles Goldsmith
ation goes to and might lower the heat surrounding this and > other issues. I also think he has a blog > > Louise > > -- > From: wo...@justfamily.org > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:42:47 -0500 > To: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com &

RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Louise Power
ntrol who his information goes to and might lower the heat surrounding this and other issues. I also think he has a blog Louise From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:42:47 -0500 To: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inapprop

RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Louise Power
bject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to pri

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Charles Goldsmith
It's amazing the diverse personalities of a group of about 400 people we have, in a hobby we all love. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Don Cooper wrote: > I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of > bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative s

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-21 Thread Charles Goldsmith
It's amazing the diverse personalities of a group of about 400 people we have, in a hobby we all love. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Don Cooper wrote: > I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of > bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative s

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Don Cooper
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't car

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Don Cooper
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't car

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
les is good every now and then... > > Bill > > - Original Message - > *From:* Charles Goldsmith > *To:* Sheryl Rieck > *Cc:* TexasCavers > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > aside from my personal opin

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
les is good every now and then... > > Bill > > - Original Message - > *From:* Charles Goldsmith > *To:* Sheryl Rieck > *Cc:* TexasCavers > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > aside from my personal opin

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bentley
cavers are subscribers to the mailing list... a posting of the rules is good every now and then... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Sheryl Rieck Cc: TexasCavers Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bentley
cavers are subscribers to the mailing list... a posting of the rules is good every now and then... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Sheryl Rieck Cc: TexasCavers Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread jerryatkin
...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > > > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about > his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time an

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread jerryatkin
...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > > > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about > his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time an

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
Understood. Damn work getting in the way of caving... Joe On Aug 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is > intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be > fanned, and if I hadn't posted

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
Understood. Damn work getting in the way of caving... Joe On Aug 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is > intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be > fanned, and if I hadn't posted

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Mimi Jasek
Thank you:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have > to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on > this subject, are way off topic a

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Mimi Jasek
Thank you:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have > to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on > this subject, are way off topic a

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
surprising very little these days, but I'd like to keep it that way. Thanks for understanding On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I > apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) > > > O

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
surprising very little these days, but I'd like to keep it that way. Thanks for understanding On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I > apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) > > > O

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest fire. I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and tryi

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest fire. I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and tryi

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on > the hunt are friends of

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on > the hunt are friends of

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail given to id the perps... I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. This project is only through the end of the

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail given to id the perps... I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. This project is only through the end of the

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many diverse per

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many diverse per

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the rules set for this listserve. Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the peace, which I will do. Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing?

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the rules set for this listserve. Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the peace, which I will do. Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing?

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I will not comment on this again for any reason. Sheryl On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matte

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I will not comment on this again for any reason. Sheryl On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matte

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This emai

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Joe Ranzau
I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This emai

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Logan McNatt
Charles, you're a good administrator. Seldom seen or heard, but when it happens you write words of wisdom and common sense. Thanks, Logan On 8/20/2013 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matter

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Logan McNatt
Charles, you're a good administrator. Seldom seen or heard, but when it happens you write words of wisdom and common sense. Thanks, Logan On 8/20/2013 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matter

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have t

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Charles Goldsmith
aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have t

RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Geary Schindel
posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for taking a stand on cyber bullying. Geary From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] Inapprop

RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Geary Schindel
posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for taking a stand on cyber bullying. Geary From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] Inapprop

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread texascav...@yahoo.com
Well put, Sheryl. Mark Alman Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Sheryl Rieck" To: "TexasCavers" Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2013

Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread texascav...@yahoo.com
Well put, Sheryl. Mark Alman Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Sheryl Rieck" To: "TexasCavers" Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2013

[Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been

[Texascavers] Inappropriate emails

2013-08-20 Thread Sheryl Rieck
I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been