Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Carl Walker
Just wanted to mention that I've been making C-field adjustments on my 5061A for the last few weeks while monitoring its performance vs. the Z3801A. I've had quite a few large ESD events after shuffling across the carpet and down the basement stairs where the discharge went directly to the C-fi

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread george
I had a similar experience about 2 weeks ago My (sirf chip set) gps lost lock. It was in the afternoon around 1-3 pm I will have to check my logs for the exact date and time. The fed's like to jam gps from time to time around sensitive gov installations the area can be quite large at high altitudes

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bill Hawkins wrote: Well, if you figure out how to introduce a 100 mS delay with a short length of cable, you should see a patent attorney. Wait a minute. Aren't you using a homebrew divider to get 1 PPS from the 5061? That's a fine way to get long lasting offsets, but I can't imagine why it curved

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, if you figure out how to introduce a 100 mS delay with a short length of cable, you should see a patent attorney. Wait a minute. Aren't you using a homebrew divider to get 1 PPS from the 5061? That's a fine way to get long lasting offsets, but I can't imagine why it curved up or why the offs

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Doug Hogarth said, "I don't know your particular GPS, but sure looks to me like GPS lost lock (started drifting), then somehow got bad lock twice, before finally getting proper lock. So I'd study GPS antenna/cable and receiver settings. Consider adding logging of some GPS status, or at least try

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- Thanks for all the comments. It must be a slow afternoon/evening!!! You've given me several things to check out. In addition, as I was looking at the hardware in the basement I now have a suspicion that it might be a cable problem, specifically in the cable that goes from the 5061A PPS

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Just because something isn't probable doesn't mean it isn't possible. Given that the "normal" light was still on, either the light logic is faulty or the 5061 never lost lock. That leaves the GPS receiver, antenna and signal path. That it happened at about the time the adjustment was moved could be

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Doug Hogarth
I don't know your particular GPS, but sure looks to me like GPS lost lock (started drifting), then somehow got bad lock twice, before finally getting proper lock. So I'd study GPS antenna/cable and receiver settings. Consider adding logging of some GPS status, or at least try to enable setting for

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Mike S wrote: At 04:58 PM 3/24/2005, John Ackermann N8UR wrote... That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver and antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like this makes me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. Were you talking

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Miles wrote: How's the ESD environment in the room with your 5061A? Was there a spark when your wife touched the knob (no double-entendre intended)? -- john KE5FX Har! Excellent thought, but I don't think ESD is likely, though it can't be ruled out. The floor is linoleum over concrete b

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Mike S
At 04:58 PM 3/24/2005, John Ackermann N8UR wrote... >That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver and >antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like this makes >me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. Were you talking your wife throug

AW: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
Hi John, Try doubling what you have seen by disconnecting the antenna, and substituting it by a resistor that makes aprox. the same current. Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. März 2

RE: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Miles
> Hi Hubert -- > > That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver > and antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like > this makes me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. A long > history has shown that this receiver/antenna very seldom

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: Hi John, I saw similar outliers running especially Motorola GPS receivers in the vicinity to mobile telephones. Shielding is not sufficient. What I see in your data plot is a drifting oscillator until the receiver tries to find a new satellite configuration. (sudden jump

AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
Hi John, I saw similar outliers running especially Motorola GPS receivers in the vicinity to mobile telephones. Shielding is not sufficient. What I see in your data plot is a drifting oscillator until the receiver tries to find a new satellite configuration. (sudden jump upwards). After some time

Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: If you disregard this excursion, what happened after the change. Did frequency change as expected? Would there have been continuity of data? Which TIC do you use? Which GPS receiver do you use? How many satellites did you track? What is the minimum elevation for satellites

AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
If you disregard this excursion, what happened after the change. Did frequency change as expected? Would there have been continuity of data? Which TIC do you use? Which GPS receiver do you use? How many satellites did you track? What is the minimum elevation for satellites used? I know a lot of stu

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: Anyway, has anyone seen anything like this, or have any idea what might have happened here? Did she leave the door open while she did the change Good question, but there's no sign of a temperature chan

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >Anyway, has anyone seen anything like this, or have any idea what might >have happened here? Did she leave the door open while she did the change ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T

[time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
While I was out of town for the last week, I continued an experiment to check the C-field sensitivity of my 5061A. I measured the offset at C-field settings of 5.00, 5.50, and 4.50. The last change was made while I was out of town. My wife, Jody, made the change from 5.50 down to 4.50. She a