[time-nuts] LCD monitor for TBolt

2010-08-07 Thread Dr. Frank Stellmach
Dick, I also ordered an LCD monitor from fluke.l (beneath an LPRO Rubidium). For Lady Heather, do I have to add a switch between the monitor and the PC, or does the monitor have an additional RS232 port to feed through the PC communication automatically? Frank

Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouser project?

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Bob, I have the correct DIL 74175 so I can untick that item. Steve On 07/08/2010, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi As far as I know all the parts are correct except the 74175. It is the soic version. Bob On Aug 6, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: Bob,

[time-nuts] LCD monitor for TBolt

2010-08-07 Thread Arthur Dent
For Lady Heather, do I have to add a switch between the monitor and the PC, or does the monitor have an additional RS232 port to feed through the PC communication automatically? ++ I just soldered the monitor lead to the transmit pin on the T-bolt's RS232

Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouser project?

2010-08-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I strongly recommend checking your local inventory (dare I say junk box.) off a lot of the parts. Stuff like bypass caps likely something you have. Bob On Aug 7, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bob, I have the correct DIL 74175 so I can untick that item.

Re: [time-nuts] What's the latest correct PICTIC II Mouser project?

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Bob, Oh, I'll be doing that, for sure, as I expect most if not all the passives are in the junk-box. It's just finding them, my filing system seems to be having a bit of a meltdown of late and I'm frequently in the state of know I have something, somewhere, but I can't for the life of me find

[time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Steve: In the movie Zero Effect Daryl Zero says: Now, a few words on looking for things. When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it are very bad. Because of all the things in the world, you're only looking for one of them. When you go looking for anything at

[time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Arthur Dent
Brooke Clarke posted this quote, which I really like: Now, a few words on looking for things. When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it are very bad. Because of all the things in the world, you're only looking for one of them. When you go looking for anything at

Re: [time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Rooke
On 08/08/2010, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Steve: In the movie Zero Effect Daryl Zero says: Now, a few words on looking for things. When you go looking for something specific, your chances of finding it are very bad. Because of all the things in the world, you're only looking

Re: [time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Rooke
What your saying is that it is a form of selective blindness where the brain filters out an item it does not want to see but if your looking for something specifically, I wonder why this happens. I have experienced this many times, I try to find something that I had just a moment ago and cannot

Re: [time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
Are you sure it was there all the time? The same thing happens to me. I wonder about these things. :^) Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Perhaps its the fairies at the bottom of my garden :) Steve On 08/08/2010, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: Are you sure it was there all the time? The same thing happens to me. I wonder about these things. :^) Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

[time-nuts] Homebrew Rubidium oscillator, jitter and other tales :-)

2010-08-07 Thread ulmann
Hello all - first of all, I would like to thank you for the many replies I got regarding my first posting a couple of weeks ago where I described my homebrew Rubidium oscillator based on an LPRO-101. During the last couple of days I found enough spare time to dig deeper into some issues. In

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew Rubidium oscillator, jitter and other tales :-)

2010-08-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
ulm...@vaxman.de wrote: blinked. This problem was eventually solved by driving the LED with a discrete transistor instead of a free 74AC14 gate and decoupling this driver with an RC-combination. CMOS logic gates have a totem pole output that is famous for overlap where both transistors on

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew Rubidium oscillator, jitter and other tales :-)

2010-08-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/07/2010 07:31 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: ulm...@vaxman.de wrote: blinked. This problem was eventually solved by driving the LED with a discrete transistor instead of a free 74AC14 gate and decoupling this driver with an RC-combination. CMOS logic gates have a totem pole output

[time-nuts] Shipping IC chips

2010-08-07 Thread Joseph Gray
Without naming names, I want to suggest that if anyone on this list is going to ship IC chips in the future (DIP in particular), that they either use the hard plastic tube the chips come in, or put the chips inside a box. Antistatic foam inside a padded envelope results in very flat pancakes. Just

Re: [time-nuts] Shipping IC chips

2010-08-07 Thread Robert Darlington
Just an FYI guys, the PIC chips are shipping in the hard anti-static tubes. I bought 10 of each from here: http://www.elexp.com/ics_icst.htm They were easy to cut up with a utility knife without shattering and I bought 150 of their rubber stoppers for the ends. They had very inexpensive

[time-nuts] PICTIC Thank you

2010-08-07 Thread Stijn Nestra
I would like to thank everybody involved on this list who have made it possible to get the necessary parts distributed. For me these are Stanley (for the boards), Nigel (for the 74ac175) and Poul Henning (for shipping the boards inside Europe) And of course Richard who was willing to share his

Re: [time-nuts] Shipping IC chips

2010-08-07 Thread Robert Berg
Mea culpa. However, I did propose the option of choosing flat rate boxes in lieu of the envelopes, and no one replied with such a request. This was actually Bob Camp's idea, and he was the only one who specifically asked for this packing method. It costs substantially more, but apparently is

Re: [time-nuts] LCD monitor for TBolt

2010-08-07 Thread Didier Juges
You do not need a switch, the T-Bolt Monitor only reads what's coming from the T-Bolt, you just need to wire two connectors in parallel, and as long as Lady Heather uses the same T-SIP protocol, which I believe is the case, you should be OK. Didier KO4BB --Original Message-- From: Dr.

Re: [time-nuts] On Finding Things

2010-08-07 Thread Matt Osborn
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 02:38:53 +1200, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that does make a lot of sense, it's just a pity that searching for the item you want frequently ends up fruitless but I agree that if you search for anything, your sure to find it. Senior moments are lifesavers; after

[time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Hi all, I have a Seimens master clock with a Reiffler pendulum. A lovely piece of work that used to provide time services in the 40s. Being a master clock it has contacts that open and close on each pendulum swing and so I can monitor it's accuracy quite easily using gps and my 5370B. I've

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A high voltage opamp (or a low voltage opamp with a discrete output stage with a voltage gain of at least 2) with -3V and + 30V supplies is perhaps the simplest method. The opamp merely senses the current flowing in a current sensing resistor and regulates this voltage drop to equal the output

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread J. Forster
Since it's inside a closed loop, the design is uncritical. One option is a high voltage Op-Amp with +/- 25 to 30 VDC supplies. You would set the OA gain to about 10, so 2.5 V in would yield 25 V out. and sum in a negative offset voltage so that +2.5 from the DAC yields 0.0 V out. I'd use

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, the range of the adjustment is probably far wider than you would ever need as you will be applying it continuously instead of over a few hours to correct the clock to the latest observations. So all you need is an amplifier run off + and - 15 Volts with enough gain for the DAC output.

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The 60mA load current would be problematic for most common opamps without an output buffer stage. High voltage opamps are relatively rare. Bruce J. Forster wrote: Since it's inside a closed loop, the design is uncritical. One option is a high voltage Op-Amp with +/- 25 to 30 VDC supplies.

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A high voltage opamp (or a low voltage opamp with a discrete output stage with a voltage gain of at least 2) with -3V and + 30V supplies is perhaps the simplest method. The opamp merely senses the current flowing in a current sensing resistor and regulates this voltage drop to equal the output

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread J. Forster
OK. You know better. BTW, op-amp noise is essentially irrelevant in this application, and the C's across the FB resistors limit slew rates so there is no significant dI/dt to cause voltage spikes. -John Your naive stabilisation scheme wont work, try simulating it. 741's are

Re: [time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock

2010-08-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
J. Forster wrote: OK. You know better. BTW, op-amp noise is essentially irrelevant in this application, and the C's across the FB resistors limit slew rates so there is no significant dI/dt to cause voltage spikes. Noise is never irrelevant. You havent shown that its insignificant either.

[time-nuts] Regulating a pendulum clock (Jim Palfreyman)

2010-08-07 Thread Don Mimlitch
Jim Said: It also has a coil mounted near the pendulum and a fixed magnet on the pendulum bar and this coil connects to a box down below with a meter and a knob. They are labeled in sec/day. The electronics in the box are not clear (being quite old) but by measuring the current in the coil it