[time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-14 Thread Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S
http://www.timeok.it/files/5_to10_mhz_advanced_doubler.pdf Best regards, Luciano Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-14 Thread EWKehren
Thank you Luciano for the circuit. It never fails. I got your message 1 minute!! after placing an order for PC boards. I would have loved to add it to this order, how ever I will lay it out and add it to the next run. Thanks again... Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/14/2011 5:35:12 A.M.

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-14 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S wrote: http://www.timeok.it/files/5_to10_mhz_advanced_doubler.pdf Best regards, Luciano Luciano P. S. Paramithiotti The claimed 50 ohm input impedance is incorrect except perhaps for small signals. For large signals the input impedance will be much lower

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-14 Thread Paramithiotti, Luciano Paolo S
thankyou, sorry for time misalign. At the moment I am preparing my final version that will add an input low pass filter to accept input signals with moderate harmonic distortion , some more adjustments and a dual 13 dBm separate output with separation more than 50dB. Next future: - 10 to 5

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Bill I have never worked on quartz crystals, but I was attached to a group that had made many of them for the British Post Office in the 1950s. I also used, and replaced, a lot in commercial 2-way radios in the 1980s and 90s. First are you really sure the crystal has changed it is more likely

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi From a number of radios I've torn crystals out of and looked at: 1) The blank is broken / cracked. Most likely the radio got dropped somewhere along the line. Just like that stone hit on your windshield (on two cars at the moment), the crack can start small and propagate. Time from impact

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced 5 to 10 MHz doubler

2011-02-14 Thread EWKehren
Luciano Please keep me posted, I will add it to the next run. Bert In a message dated 2/14/2011 6:35:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, luciano.paramithio...@hp.com writes: thankyou, sorry for time misalign. At the moment I am preparing my final version that will add an input low pass

[time-nuts] Anyone have or have docs on Anritsu MH4100A 10 MHz osc ?

2011-02-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
I just picked one of these up for basically nothing but typical Anritsu I can't anything. -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions

[time-nuts] Changing to Daily Digest? Moderator/Admin Help?

2011-02-14 Thread Joe Leikhim
Hi; I would like to change my settings to receive only one daily digest. The website is not clear on how to make the change for existing subscribers. Can the administrator adjust this for me? Thanks -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
has anyone done a setup where the TB is running from a battery when one is using its output. Something like you do with pico amp meters, or I do with the Fluke 845AB null meter ? -pete On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Flemming Larsen oz...@yahoo.dk wrote: I have a Power-One switching power

Re: [time-nuts] Changing to Daily Digest? Moderator/Admin Help?

2011-02-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/14/2011 11:45 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Hi; I would like to change my settings to receive only one daily digest. The website is not clear on how to make the change for existing subscribers. Can the administrator adjust this for me? Thanks Unfortunately, the digest can't be changed

Re: [time-nuts] Changing to Daily Digest? Moderator/Admin Help?

2011-02-14 Thread Joe Leikhim
Thanks; That explains the multi posts. I was sure I was set for daily digest and apparently I am, but as you explain, daily is 30KB. I will figure out a work around here to redirect to a folder. Thanks On 2/14/2011 12:15 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: On 2/14/2011 11:45 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote:

[time-nuts] Looking for HP 5372A

2011-02-14 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hi, I am looking to purchase an HP 5372A Analyzer. Let me know if you would like to sell one. Thanks, Bert. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for HP 5372A

2011-02-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
If no one has one they want to sell you put (5327A,5373A) in a EB search that e-mails you when one shows up, then bid what you want to pay repeat until win one. Don't forget about shipping, for me it was like 3x the cost of the 5372A -pete On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Bert, VE2ZAZ

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Can be done with a couple of switchers. I'd do the switcher = LDO trick to clean things up. Bert has a setup running that way. I would not try to run one directly off of a battery. Either you would have a pretty big battery, or it would not last long. Bob -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Larry McDavid
I think you should look at the specifications for the noise-rejection capability of those three-terminal regulators. They are simple and inexpensive but not particularly good at noise rejection. Some of the noise from the switcher supply will pass through. Is it enough to cause a real problem?

Re: [time-nuts] power spectrum of hard limiter output

2011-02-14 Thread ehydra
I rethinked the problem after reading several papers. OK. We have an if-strip. To avoid spectral regrowth in later stages because of saturation, the input must be momentary amplitude controlled. Pulses and bursts at the input will saturate somewhere in the stages. An common AGC is always

[time-nuts] SRS PRS10 problem

2011-02-14 Thread Brendan Minish
Hello all My SRS PRS10 ( http://www.thinksrs.com/products/PRS10.htm ) Rubidum frequency standard was power cycled a few days ago, since then it has not achived rubidium lock. I have tried a full rest and also further power cycles with no joy. The SRS RS232 application reports the following

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Mark Spencer
As mentioned before a suitably rated single transformer with a center tapped secondary will suffice if you want to build your own linear psu. I use a 2 amp 25.2 volt center tapped transformer (along with a bridge rectifer, filter caps, 3 terminal regulators, fuse holder etc.) I don't losse

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 14/02/11 19:31, Larry McDavid wrote: I think you should look at the specifications for the noise-rejection capability of those three-terminal regulators. They are simple and inexpensive but not particularly good at noise rejection. Some of the noise from the switcher supply will pass through.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I use a similar setup but used an arangement the uses full wave rectification for the 12V and a single diode half wave rectifier for the 5V so the regulator did not have such high dissipation.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Mon, 14/2/11, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Mark

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, since this keeps coming up, here's the full blow by blow of everything you need to do. Nothing left to the imagination :) You have a switcher running into a filter running. The filter feeds into three terminal regulators. The regulators are running into the TBolt. Power to the switcher

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Hal Murray
Has anybody investigated simple L-C (R-L-C) filters rather than linear regulators? The SI-List recently announced a good paper on using ferrite beads. http://www.ipblox.com/papers.html (Currently, it's the top paper. In case somebody finds this in the archives, it's the one marked DesignCon

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread EWKehren
I use ferrite beads the old ones where the wire goes through a round cylinder five times I get them from Radio Conrad item # 50 21 97 36, 16 cents each and capacitors followed by regulators. The regulators are close to the Tbolt the rest is with the batteries and switchers. Works fine for

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: A three terminal regulator, properly chosen, will do a great job down at audio. Depends on what you mean by great job. All of the 3T regulators I'm familiar with have at least two orders of magnitude more noise than a well-designed LN analog regulator -- many have much more

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If all you are doing is running a Thunderbolt, you don't need a supply that's more quiet than most batteries. People get reasonable performance off of straight switcher outputs. Adding simple linear + filtering gets you well into the overkill region on this application. The idea is to stop

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ferrite beads are wonderful things. I use them all the time. For this application (main filtering between a TBolt and a switcher) - not a good place to use them. You don't get enough impedance at the switcher frequencies. There are better (and equally cheap) parts available. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Ken , VK7KRJ
Greetings and my first post from a down-under lurker. A reasonably simple way of producing a clean supply would be the finesse regulator here http://www.wenzel.com/documents/finesse.html I'm not sure how well would clean up the spikey stuff from a switcher though. -- Cheers, Ken

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread lists
This thread makes me appreciated the Symetricom. Just apply 24V and let the internal switcher and regulator do the work. I've designed chips with both bipolar and Pfet pass devices. I really don't like the PNP pass device scheme used in LDOs. There are all sorts of design kludges involved in

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for HP 5372A

2011-02-14 Thread normn3ykf
Bert, I've got a 5372a and am looking to pass it on to a new owner. It does work. First, the bad. Has minor screen burn. Also someone took and used a sharpie on it's face. Not too obnoxious. Good: Last time I played with it, it passed the HP operator's check. Will do it again if you're

[time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
Just got one of these out of the recycle of a office building being gutted. It was the only thing in the scape drop box I could find. 2 RU rack unit runs off 48 VDC The pleasant surprise is it contains a Efratom LPRO-101. The TNC marked ANTENNA goes to a Datum board called a TIME EXTRACTOR

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: If all you are doing is running a Thunderbolt, you don't need a supply that's more quiet than most batteries. Most batteries are *very* quiet -- it takes heroic measures to get *any* actively regulated supply into that ballpark. Indeed, one might be tempted to run a Tbolt off of

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Shawn Tayler
Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference in communications gear. Most of the gear is roughly 10 years old and of similar make, both mobile and portable styles. They all are dropping in operating

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Shawn Tayler
And sorry about the typos! Still getting used to this touch screen! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2011, at 19:47, Shawn Tayler sh...@xmtservices.net wrote: Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference

Re: [time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-14 Thread paul swed
Peter you sure run across the craziest things. The odetics and now this. I might guess it listened to the cel phone tower timecode maybe? Most likely the old 900 mc stuff. They decommissioned all of that making that unit useless. Totally guessing here. Someone will know. Regards Paul WB8TSL On

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Shawn Tayler sh...@xmtservices.net wrote: My question is what is the process in the aging if the crystals that causes this drop in frequency?  I understand it may be mechanical but the level if vibration the radios are exposed to varies greatly and there does

[time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-14 Thread Arthur Dent
Pete- My guess is the TIME EXTRACTOR does such for someones CDMA network ? Anyone know about this thing ? If you connect a supply to one of the inputs (it has redundant supplies) and a cell antenna to the TNC, it will lock onto the standard in the cell tower and you have a

Re: [time-nuts] Datum OT-20 Office Time

2011-02-14 Thread Laurence Motteram
We have an OT-21 Office Time here, which is presumably similar. The Antenna input is for GPS L1 5V, and the unit supplies Telco outputs. It can also take in telco signals and re-time them. You may have a beautiful GPSDO, albeit with 2.048MHz outputs... Regards, Laurence Motteram

Re: [time-nuts] Why do crystals go bad?

2011-02-14 Thread jimlux
On 2/14/11 7:47 PM, Shawn Tayler wrote: Very interesting Bob Thanks. It brings to mind an annoying issue I run into from time to time. VCXO 12.8 Mhz used as a reference in communications gear. Most of the gear is roughly 10 years old and of similar make, both mobile and portable styles.