Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <04f001cd151c$d58ede30$80ac9a90$@pop.net>, "John Miles" writes: >The errata file in the same directory mentions the >correct DIP switch setting for the OA DAC control adjustment, but the test >limit voltage range is also different from one counter to the next, and from >one edition of t

Re: [time-nuts] Holy cesium clock, Batman!

2012-04-07 Thread Rex
On 4/7/2012 5:59 PM, Mark Sims wrote: One of the nose-bleed channels (MeTV) just showed an old 1980's Batman show... For a time nut, you are off by at least 14 years. (1980 - 1966 = 14) The Clock King's Crazy Crimes October 12, 1966 The Clock King Gets Crowned October 13, 1966 The ABC tele

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201, Tbolt, HP 3801 comparison question

2012-04-07 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Ulrich wrote: The Smartclock in difference seems to be able to adapt regulation parameters to its "measurements" of ocxo stability and long term drift. I do not know any details about Smartclock, but I believe one of the things it does is to adjust the oscillator disciplining parameters (pri

[time-nuts] 1PPS correction

2012-04-07 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Two thoughts; First Thought,the clock in a Jupiter-T is 40Mhz, that's 4 times 10 Mhz last time I checked. Could not one of the Simple GPSDOs use the OCXO multiplied by 4 to become the receivers clock? Wouldn't that eliminate the hanging bridges? Second thought, as I was reading recent threads

Re: [time-nuts] Holy cesium clock, Batman!

2012-04-07 Thread Brent Gordon
Same Bat Time! Same Bat Channel! On 4/7/2012 8:38 PM, J. Forster wrote: So, what's the time? -John - On 08/04/12 02:59, Mark Sims wrote: One of the nose-bleed channels (MeTV) just showed an old 1980's Batman show where the infamous, evil, dastardly villain Clock King attempted to

Re: [time-nuts] Holy cesium clock, Batman!

2012-04-07 Thread J. Forster
So, what's the time? -John - > On 08/04/12 02:59, Mark Sims wrote: >> >> One of the nose-bleed channels (MeTV) just showed an old 1980's Batman >> show where the infamous, evil, dastardly villain Clock King attempted >> to steal a Cesium Clock (worth over one million dollars!). He was

Re: [time-nuts] Holy cesium clock, Batman!

2012-04-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/04/12 02:59, Mark Sims wrote: One of the nose-bleed channels (MeTV) just showed an old 1980's Batman show where the infamous, evil, dastardly villain Clock King attempted to steal a Cesium Clock (worth over one million dollars!). He was unsuccessful and is still out there. All time-

[time-nuts] Holy cesium clock, Batman!

2012-04-07 Thread Mark Sims
One of the nose-bleed channels (MeTV) just showed an old 1980's Batman show where the infamous, evil, dastardly villain Clock King attempted to steal a Cesium Clock (worth over one million dollars!). He was unsuccessful and is still out there. All time-nuts, protect your Cesium Clocks! W

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
It looks great, if we're talking about the zipped 150+ MB file. OCR never works 100%, but the originally rendered text seems to be intact everywhere, unlike cases where the scan program tries to replace it. Unfortunately some of the most confusing errors were part of the manual as originally pr

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
Hi, Jim, I will ask off-list to reduce noise... :) El 08/04/2012 00:29, Jim Lux escribió: If you need a 64 bit timer core with a bunch of latches and a programmable pulse generator, let me know. We've got one at JPL we're happy to distribute (for free). I take good note. This is the kin

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201, Tbolt, HP 3801 comparison question

2012-04-07 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone for the comments Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > Hi Ulrich, > > I want to re-iterate how difficult it is to compare one make of GPSDO > with another. A lot depends on antenna, and software configuration, > environmental controls, and the particul

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 08/04/2012 00:21, Jim Lux escribió: On 4/7/12 10:08 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: RTEMS might be just what you need. Kernel, basic OS calls for scheduling, queues, etc. It's nice when you decide you want threading to not have to graft it into a "big lo

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 8:57 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: If you are looking for free soft core CPUs for use in an FPGA then look here: http://opencores.org/projects Look under "processors" for many CPU cores. They also have some Eithernet controllers you'd need. Like all things opencores/sourceforge/etc yo

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 10:08 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: RTEMS wise... It's pretty well supported by the community, it's open source, it does all the stuff you want a RTOS to do. it's NOT a multitasking, dynamic loading OS like Linux. That is it doesn't support an MMU

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Roberto Barrios
It was me who created the PDF. I did not scan the pages, I took individual files for individual pages from KO4BB site. Hardest work was manual stitching of the schematics. Also created bookmarks for all the sections manually. Automatic OCR was done by Adobe Acrobat, I did not review the result,

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave M > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:51 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable? > > > From: paul swed > > > Send it to didiers sit

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Dave M
From: paul swed Send it to diddiers site KO4bb. Thats a good place to share it from. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Dave M wrote: From: Ed Palmer Is there a pdf of the HP 5370B Manual that allows you to search for text? Thanks in advance, Ed I have a copy of the 5370B O/S manual th

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 11:45 AM, wrote: > Chris >  do you or any one else have a micro controller and code for  such an 8 pin > solution? The rest I would know how to do. That is what I wrote about earlier, few people have the technical skill to do every part of a design. No I don't have a fin

[time-nuts] T-Bolt with dead PPS and 10MHz output - how to repair?

2012-04-07 Thread Alexander Kurpiers
I got a Thunderbolt on Ebay and it appears to be running fine - just the PPS and 10MHz outputs stay silent. But it seems to lock (according to the monitor program) and the site survey was completed without issues. I'm pretty sure the OCXO works fine, otherwise it would not say it is locked would

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread EWKehren
Chris do you or any one else have a micro controller and code for such an 8 pin solution? The rest I would know how to do. Bert Kehren In a message dated 4/7/2012 12:12:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, albertson.ch...@gmail.com writes: The simplest way to do this is to use a "standard" G

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Andrew Rodland
Chris Albertson writes: > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Rodland wrote: > > > Another option would be building something on an FPGA. This would be a > > considerable stretch for me, since I've never done FPGA work, but if I build > > from the ground up, I can have *very* tight contro

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 07/04/2012 16:02, Jim Lux escribió: On 4/7/12 4:47 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: I'm very familiar with the LEON and RTEMS, having managed a software development project with it for the last 3 or 4 years at work. http://www.gaisler.com/ for LEON http://www.rtems.org/ for RTEMS I will have a l

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 07/04/2012 18:17, shali...@gmail.com escribió: When you install the Altera tools, it automatically installs NIOS and gcc. I assume there are no restrictions for private use, but you may have to send $ if you make a commercial product. That remains to be checked. With the Quartus Web, you ca

[time-nuts] web site after death

2012-04-07 Thread Stanley
Wonder if any other owners of web sites have provided for adoption of their web sites after they are no longer able to support them or want to ? Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread shalimr9
When you install the Altera tools, it automatically installs NIOS and gcc. I assume there are no restrictions for private use, but you may have to send $ if you make a commercial product. That remains to be checked. I have not used NIOS either. Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thin

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 4/6/2012 11:46 PM, Rix Seacord wrote: Ed Is that a function of the pdf file or the reader? I've been using Foxit Phantom that will even search multiple pdf files in the same folder. Good luck in your quest. Ewing (Rix) Seacord K2AVP/4/499 eseac...@verizon.net 845-628-0892 Home 914-262-918

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
The simplest way to do this is to use a "standard" GPS and let if drive a GPSDO. Yes you can try and build a copy of a T-bolt but how many engineering ours do you think Trimble spent on that? Well over a man year I'd say and few people have the range of skills needed to do it all themselves. If

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Serrano
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: > RTEMS also (see www.milkymist.org , an open source hardware and > software project with an LM32 implementation on a Spartan 6 FPGA using > RTEMS. We use the LM32 (http://www.ohwr.org/projects/lm32) in the White Rabbit and other projects. Her

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Thanks Dave, Is this the 134,440,033 byte one that's already on Didier's site ( http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/index.php )? I've already taken a look at that one. Ed On 4/7/2012 5:32 AM, Dave M wrote: From: Ed Palmer Is there a pdf of the HP 5370B Manual that allows you to search for tex

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are looking for free soft core CPUs for use in an FPGA then look here: http://opencores.org/projects Look under "processors" for many CPU cores. They also have some Eithernet controllers you'd need. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, cfo wrote: > On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0200, Azeli

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Thanks John, Unfortunately, that copy shows what happens when you don't do the post-OCR editing. It was created with Adobe Acrobat which has really poor editing capabilities. There are so many errors that I would be uncomfortable if I had to rely on the text. The errors would cause me to m

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Rix Seacord
Ed Thank you for the education. I didn't give it much thought the pdf file could consist of a bunch of scanned pages. Funny I can come up with some old ball trouble shooting of boat anchors but not on this "modern" stuff. Gotta look into this some more. Ewing (Rix) Seacord K2AVP/4/499 eseac...

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread paul swed
Send it to diddiers site KO4bb. Thats a good place to share it from. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Dave M wrote: > From: Ed Palmer >> >> >> Is there a pdf of the HP 5370B Manual that allows you to search for text? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Ed >> >> > I have a copy of the 5370B O/S manual

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-04-07 Thread Achim Vollhardt
Hi Attila, speaking about finger pointing, I would like to make clear, that the loose connector was on the italian (OPERA) side and not on the french-swiss side (CERN). The news articles all cited CERN got it wrong, but as a matter of fact it was OPERA. Achim I didn't questions his competen

[time-nuts] FEI Picosync GPSDO

2012-04-07 Thread cfo
Just saw these on the auctionsite: 180857665874 Quite expensive compared to the below http://webuzz.org/product-13315209770.html /Cfo ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, taken a look: it seems that the smallest Spartan3 usable is the 400Kgates. I don't need the ZPU now but good to know. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM, cfo wrote: > On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: > > > The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Ni

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 4:47 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 07/04/2012 13:19, Azelio Boriani escribió: The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD with

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz More or Less

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 3:17 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 07:18:18 -0700 Jim Lux wrote: John Strong's book on making stuff ("procedures in experimental physics") probably has a lot of the details (like how they put the reflective coating on the mirror). That book is a fascinating look at st

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-04-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/7/12 2:47 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:54:09 -0700 Jim Lux wrote: Not a whole lot, but the whole paper goes into the various factors involved. Ultimately, it winds up that the mismatch from SMAs is a) a whole lot less than the usual "worst case" spec of 1.05:1 o

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread cfo
On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:19:14 +0200, Azelio Boriani wrote: > The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. > I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now > I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD with the > Xilinx's free tool

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
The Cray-1 implementation is here http://chrisfenton.com/homebrew-cray-1a/ On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: > El 07/04/2012 13:19, Azelio Boriani escribió: > >> The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. >> I'm not familiar with them and don't kn

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201, Tbolt, HP 3801 comparison question

2012-04-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Ulrich, I want to re-iterate how difficult it is to compare one make of GPSDO with another. A lot depends on antenna, and software configuration, environmental controls, and the particular OCXO that you happen to get with the unit. You can see significant difference in N TBolts; you can see si

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Javier Herrero
El 07/04/2012 13:19, Azelio Boriani escribió: The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD with the Xilinx's free tools. Mostly expensiv

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201, Tbolt, HP 3801 comparison question

2012-04-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
No need to discover how the HP SmartClock works: there is the Kalman filtering to help in better driving a clock disciplining. Indeed the SmartClock approach may be based on the Kalman method. The fundamental starting point is to have a good clock mathematical model. The "smart" part is the trimmin

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna for t-bolt

2012-04-07 Thread bg
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:05:22 +0200 > b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: > >> http://www.aeroantenna.com/PDF/AT575-90_G.pdf > > It might be a stupid question, but what is the spike at the top for? > > Attila Kinali It is there to make birds feel unconfortable. -- Björn

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Dave M
From: Ed Palmer Is there a pdf of the HP 5370B Manual that allows you to search for text? Thanks in advance, Ed I have a copy of the 5370B O/S manual that has been OCRed, and is searchable. It is, however, over 150Mb in size, so not emailable. If you give me a day or so, I can attempt t

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna for t-bolt

2012-04-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
It might be a stupid question, but what is the spike at the top for? It's just plastic; not for lightning. For me it keeps birds from sitting on the top of the radome and dropping liquid gps signal attenuators. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- tim

Re: [time-nuts] FPGA GPSDO (Was: Re: NTP jitter with Linux)

2012-04-07 Thread Azelio Boriani
The Xilinx and Altera have their embedded CPUs (Microblaze and Nios) IP. I'm not familiar with them and don't know how much they cost. Until now I have developed on Xilinx 50Kgates FPGA and 128 cells CPLD with the Xilinx's free tools. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Fr

Re: [time-nuts] 1 pps correction

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:10:59 + shali...@gmail.com wrote: > It seems to me that if standalone GPS timing receivers used a VCXO > instead of a fixed frequency clock, the cost delta would not be that > significant, and they too could avoid the need for sawtooth correction. Not really. You'd need

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna for t-bolt

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:05:22 +0200 b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: > http://www.aeroantenna.com/PDF/AT575-90_G.pdf It might be a stupid question, but what is the spike at the top for? Attila Kinali -- Why does it take years to find the answers to the questions one should ha

Re: [time-nuts] 60Hz More or Less

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 07:18:18 -0700 Jim Lux wrote: > John Strong's book on making stuff ("procedures in experimental > physics") probably has a lot of the details (like how they put the > reflective coating on the mirror). That book is a fascinating look at > state of the art in the early part

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 2201, Tbolt, HP 3801 comparison question

2012-04-07 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gents, one of the things that MAY be responsible for the differences in performance is that the Z3801 uses HP's Smartclock technology while the TBolt does not. The TBolt works with a fixed set of parameters (unless we change them) which's default values are far from optimal but ensure a fast lock

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:57:47 +0200 Sylvain Munaut <246...@gmail.com> wrote: > Note that there should soon be a LEA6T eval board available from sysmocom > > http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2012/03/16/#20120316-osmo_lea6t_gps_timing > > Estimated price is 90 EUR excl VAT in the EU. Cool! But ca

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:54:09 -0700 Jim Lux wrote: > Not a whole lot, but the whole paper goes into the various factors > involved. Ultimately, it winds up that the mismatch from SMAs is > a) a whole lot less than the usual "worst case" spec of 1.05:1 or 1.03:1 > (which is basically a me

Re: [time-nuts] Opera coordinator has resigned

2012-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:19:35 -0400 Chuck Harris wrote: > I think that is why John said that you cannot inspect in > quality. Every worker has to do his job right the first > time, without relying on others to catch his mistakes. > > As to your questions about John Forster's competency at

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
The large (129 MB) copy in the Manuals section of www.ko4bb.com is text-searchable. -- john > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:41 AM > To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4f7fe2d1.4070...@verizon.net>, Rix Seacord writes: >Is that a function of the pdf file or the reader? It can be both. PDFs can have searchable indexes. Readers can have OCR facilities, most don't. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | T

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Ewing, It's a function of the file. Most of the old tech manuals we see are just pictures of text that have been scanned and put into a pdf file. There's no text so there's nothing to search. It looks like Phantom has OCR capabilities so it should be able to take a non-searchable pdf and