Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Mini-T end of life

2012-07-20 Thread Said Jackson
Hello Mark, Yes, the external 5V antenna power works as before on the Mini-t, the internal 3.3V and external 5V supplies are diode-ored together to support either or. A Waas only mode would be very difficult to do, maybe through a high mask angle.. But interesting idea to look into.. Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/20/2012 07:42 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Rick Karlquistrich...@karlquist.com wrote: Hysteresis does nothing to eliminate jitter or temperature Maybe, but it is absolutely needed if there is any noise on the signal. A perfect comparator with zero

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/20/2012 04:23 AM, Michael Baker wrote: Time-nutters-- Didier Juges asked: What does that do to the focussing properties of the dish? I have seen several descriptions of how the dish needs to be shaped in order to develop the orbital time-delayed angular

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum

2012-07-20 Thread Grant Hodgson
If the signal is delayed in time by the dish, then there will be no phase coherency, and it is the phase coherent properties of a parababoid that make it the most commonly used type of reflector for microwave signals. A direct analogy between optical signals propogating in a fiber and RF signals

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-20 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
KEX 1190 in Portland Oregon has been 30 Hz low for several hours. The first field is Unix time, seconds since 1970 GMT. The 3586B is using the Thunderbolt's 10 MHz for its frequency reference. 1342774022 -45.416000 119.10 1342774112 -45.774000 119.10 1342799196 -48.755000

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-20 Thread Lester Veenstra
As I recall you can command it to centre on the counted frequency. Thus, afc when making measurements in 20 Hz Very odd that a standard AM broadcast should be off by more than a few Hz. In fact, in the 60s, when BC stations had real blue papered engineers on watch, we found the TX crystals were

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-20 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Hmmm! Subpart H--Rules Applicable to All Broadcast StationsSec. 73.1545 Carrier frequ ency departure tolerances.(a) AM stations. The departure of the carrier frequenc y formonophonic transmissions or center frequency for stereophonictransmissions may not exceed plus-minus 20 Hz from the

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-20 Thread Hal Murray
cq.k...@gmail.com said: I do not want to spend good money on another oscillicope if I can help it, but I do want to see, or at least be remotely aware of clock slips/walks and other anomalies. I am thinking about building an embedded system to automate monitoring, configuration, and

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, very interesting. Now is it possible to measure/verify this? I think that using any test equipment, the comparator-style approach is unavoidable: the trigger of the scope or the counter cannot be an amplifier/limiter. How to tell what is up to my design under test and what is the trigger

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Simple test: 1) Run sine wave into a power splitter 2) Run one port to your limiter / zero crossing detector / what ever 3) Run other port from the power splitter into the reference port on a DTMD, 5125, or (better yet) TimePod. 4) Route the output of the limiter to the input port on the

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Azelio Boriani
I see that from one way or the other, we always end up in a TimePod. OK, then the TimePod has no comparator, no trigger but has A to D conversions. Is the A/D conversion process supposed to be threshold-free? Maybe, in this case, the DTMD is the only analog and threshold-free way. On Sat, Jul 21,

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2012 12:09 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: OK, very interesting. Now is it possible to measure/verify this? I think that using any test equipment, the comparator-style approach is unavoidable: the trigger of the scope or the counter cannot be an amplifier/limiter. If you like to verify what

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, using a 'scope and the persistence it seems possible to visualize the results. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 07/21/2012 12:09 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: OK, very interesting. Now is it possible to measure/verify this? I think that

[time-nuts] TBolt vs Twisted pairs

2012-07-20 Thread Hal Murray
(From a month ago.) albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: Take my word for it, the T-Bolt is not able to drive a 100 foot long twisted pair cable I don't think that's quite the right way to phrase it. What type of twisted pair were you using and/or what sort of setup did you try? How well did

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: Hysteresis does nothing to eliminate jitter or temperature Maybe, but it is absolutely needed if there is any noise on the signal. A perfect comparator with zero hysteresis would dither on every zero crossing. Hysteresis doesn't eliminate the dither from

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2012 01:28 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Yes, using a 'scope and the persistence it seems possible to visualize the results. Exactly. It's very instructive to see the traces separate appart as result of deterministic jitter, or just see the soft edges from the random jitter. I forgot

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2012 01:41 AM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: Hysteresis does nothing to eliminate jitter or temperature Maybe, but it is absolutely needed if there is any noise on the signal. A perfect comparator with zero hysteresis would dither on every zero crossing.

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt vs Twisted pairs

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2012 01:31 AM, Hal Murray wrote: (From a month ago.) albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: Take my word for it, the T-Bolt is not able to drive a 100 foot long twisted pair cable I don't think that's quite the right way to phrase it. What type of twisted pair were you using and/or what

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt vs Twisted pairs

2012-07-20 Thread Didier Juges
The Thunderbolt has no problem driving a 100 feet 50 ohm coax cable, aside from the obvious impedance matching problem (the TB has maybe 5 ohms output impedance), so I am not sure in what context that remark would apply. Didier KO4BB Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: (From a

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2012 03:30 AM, Hal Murray wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: Maybe, but it is absolutely needed if there is any noise on the signal. A perfect comparator with zero hysteresis would dither on every zero crossing. On 07/21/2012 01:41 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Hysterssis will

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread John Miles
I see that from one way or the other, we always end up in a TimePod. OK, then the TimePod has no comparator, no trigger but has A to D conversions. Is the A/D conversion process supposed to be threshold-free? Hey, everybody needs at least one or two TimePods. :) You can use a TimePod or TSC

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt vs Twisted pairs

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, of corse twisted pairs can handle fast signals. Gigabit Ethernet over cat-5 cable is a good example. What I meant when I wrote the below is that a bare t-bolt PPS output can't drive 100 feet of cat-5 cable when the far end is connected to to typical 74LSxxx t/l chip. The pulse get smeared.

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt vs Twisted pairs

2012-07-20 Thread Didier Juges
I don't think the problem is with the tbolt, see http://ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/CoaxCableMatching.php There is a picture of the tbolt driving 50 feet of average quality 75 ohm cable. With the right termination, and if the cable is good enough, there should be no problem. If the cable is