Re: [time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

On 9/11/12 6:45 PM, Geoffrey Smith wrote: Folks, Following the Peter Gottlieb post, it seems that a number of list members have been "victims" of carriers that mishandled badly packed gear. I now too often the heart ache of a broken handles and the handle through the box wall, not to mention th

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

Nope.. In my experience importing "typical time nuts items" into Canada Fedex in Canada charges a signficant "brokerage fee" that is typically many times higher than fees charged by other carriers I have used for the same service (collecting taxes and duties on behalf of the Canadian Government.

[time-nuts] Shipping news. Was ebay sellers and couriers to avoid

errr ... While it's helpful to know of ebayers to avoid and other tales of woe, I now count fifty posts relating to this topic. Perhaps this horse has been flogged enough. Time to move on? ian ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

Folks, Following the Peter Gottlieb post, it seems that a number of list members have been "victims" of carriers that mishandled badly packed gear. I now too often the heart ache of a broken handles and the handle through the box wall, not to mention that rattling sound as a something rolls aroun

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 06:05:11PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: > The customs fees and provincial and federal taxes are Canadian government > issues. Take it up with your MP. IMO, Canada Customs are a real PITA. Or just use USPS. It's not so much an issue with customs, as an issue wit

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Peter Krengel wrote: > I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching > between the internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output > of my thunderbolt to use it as a precise µC clock. Has anybody an idea how to > do best > without disturbing the a

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

I used to summer in the Thousand Islands, in the St. Lawrence on the Ontario/New York border. You could cross a patch of water 20 feet wide and go from one country to another. There was an "International Bridge" about 10 feet long. There were customs posts in every village. It was totally nuts. O

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

Some years ago I bought a URM-25 from a Canadian seller. I had to go to the freight company office to pick it up. When I got there, a US Customs Official told me I would have to pay an Import Duty on it. When I protested that it was being re-imported back into the country of origin, I was gre

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller

USPS Priority uses FEDEX jets in off hours. That is, FEDEX does the overnight, but their jets are used during the day for the post office. Checking the wiki, the contract runs until 2013. Given a choice, I always go USPS to my PO Box. It is fast and cheap. The PO Box takes a day or two off the

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

The customs fees and provincial and federal taxes are Canadian government issues. Take it up with your MP. IMO, Canada Customs are a real PITA. -John > With regards to Fedex I have a signifcant issue with the brokerage fees > that Fedex in Canada charges to deal with customs cl

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller

Our experience is that lately their service is turning to crap astonishingly fast. Examples: * An envelope of papers sent morning delivery not showing up. Calling, they say accidentally it was put in for afternoon delivery. But, nobody there in the afternoon and even though the env

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

It's so silly. Yesterday I was flying a small plane near the Canadian border and even from a couple thousand feet there is no change visible in the surface of the Earth from one side to another. It is such an artificial distinction, and all of a sudden these people who are supposed

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

See also: "SC-Cut Quartz Oscillator Offers Improved Performance", page 20-29 including "The SC Cut, a Brief Summary", page 22 Info on Jack Kusters, including a large list of his papers, here: /tvb _

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

On 9/11/12 3:58 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later wi

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

Useful: I have found other papers on the Kalman filter applied to clock estimation. Thank you, Magnus. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Magnus Danielson < mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > >> There is plenty of documentation at the IEE

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

With regards to Fedex I have a signifcant issue with the brokerage fees that Fedex in Canada charges to deal with customs clearance issues and collect taxes and duties.   I now usually decline to purchase items from sellers who insist on using Fedex. _

[time-nuts] Frequency satndard on ebay UK

Hi, Has anybody in UK noticed ebay item #140845930763 ? It reminds me the old Sulzer units, but longer. Ignacio, EB4APL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

krengelda...@gmx.de said: > I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching between the > internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output of my thunderbolt to > use it as a precise µC clock. Has anybody an idea how to do best without > disturbing the accuracy of the ref. signal

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

On 09/12/2012 12:00 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later with experimental data. I am not aware of any c

[time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

Hello guys, I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching between the internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output of my thunderbolt to use it as a precise µC clock. Has anybody an idea how to do best without disturbing the accuracy of the ref. signal? Thank you in adva

Re: [time-nuts] HP OCXO in 5016A.....

Joe- I have the manual. I trimmed the OCXO against my Z3801A before closing the loop. That's when the "slew" took place, after loop was closed. Green light bulb is OK. :-) Sounds like A8 is the issue. Although the 2nd harmonic value (A7) is not as stable as my other 5061A is when loop is closed.

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller

Gary wrote: Fedex ground is awful. Fedex air is fine. That is our experience, as well. It may vary from region to region -- the FedEx ground service uses contractors for local delivery. Our contractor seems to take pride in damaging as many items as badly as possible. I have witnessed th

Re: [time-nuts] HP OCXO in 5016A.....

Brian, Do you have a GPSDO? If so, with the Loop Open, you can adjust the OCXO to exactly 5 MHz and watch that it is stable. Once done, then select Oper and wait until Beam I and 2nd Harmonic come up. Then hit the Reset Button and watch what happens to the 5 MHz, compared to your GPSDO. If it

Re: [time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

Hi It's either got an AT or a BT. It dates to the "pre-SC" era. When you turn it on, it'll either start out way high or way low of the final frequency. Way high = AT cut. Way low = BT cut. Bob On Sep 11, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > In message , "Bob Camp" writes: >> Hi >>

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

There is plenty of documentation at the IEEE web site in the UFFC society's section. EerNisse gave a paper at the Frequency Control Symposium on it at the time. Kusters followed up a year later with experimental data. I am not aware of any controversy about these two guys being the inventors, a

Re: [time-nuts] HP OCXO in 5016A.....

On 09/11/2012 11:49 PM, Brian, WA1ZMS wrote: Does anyone has any info on the HP-00105-6013 Series 1248 OCXO that is/was used in the HP-5061A? I have a newly acquired 5061A that has "issues". It has an FTS tube in it, and while there is beam current and plenty of 2nd Harmonic, the alarm ligh

[time-nuts] HP OCXO in 5016A.....

Does anyone has any info on the HP-00105-6013 Series 1248 OCXO that is/was used in the HP-5061A? I have a newly acquired 5061A that has "issues". It has an FTS tube in it, and while there is beam current and plenty of 2nd Harmonic, the alarm light does goes out, but this unit is not yet a m

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

It all works in UPS's favor. Larger, more robust packaging adds to weight and dimensional charges. The incentives are all there for them to be as rough as they can get away with. Why take extra care and go slower when you just blame the customer, and win by getting more money in t

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

On 11 September 2012 21:32, Don Latham wrote: > Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays > for return shipping. I've seen this stated. Second, I note that of late, > sellers are padding the hell out of the sales through excessive, even in > some cases grotesque, shi

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

On 9/11/2012 10:01 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The SC cut crystal is generally credited to Jack Kusters (of HP) and Errol Ernisse. The story was something like Errol proposed the concept and Jack actually made the first one, which was quite non-trivial. Jack used to joke that "SC" stood

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprisesoneBay

Which means, of course, that it's almost impossible to make a profit on heavy, low cost items.  I used to go out of my way to make sure my buyers were paying the actual shipping costs, but after all ebay's changes, it's easier to estimate worse case shipping coast to coast, or do free ship

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

On 9/11/2012 8:37 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: If you have a chance, you should visit one of the UPS shipping test labs where customers are supposed to take their prototype packaging to have it tested to see if it will stand up to the rigors of UPS shipping. Your jaw will drop when you see what t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

In message , "Bob Camp" writes: >Hi > >It's likely got a BT cut crystal in it. The X-tal partno is 5080-0049 but the cut isn't mentioned. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Nev

Re: [time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

Hi It's likely got a BT cut crystal in it. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:46 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] HP 00105-6013 Apart from probably

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprisesoneBay

- Original Message - From: To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprisesoneBay Ebay fees don't reflect shipping cost, so the seller makes more money

[time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

Apart from probably being well-aged, are there any particular qualities to a OCXO of this type ? It's a pull from a 5061A Cesium. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

Shipping is not cheap. It is not the seller's fault. If you think the shipping charges are out of line, report the item. I've done that. I've seen stuff offered for $0.01 + $80 shipping. -John = > Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays > for return sh

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

Ebay fees don't reflect shipping cost, so the seller makes more money by inflating the shipping price, even if it reduces the final sales price. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailm

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

Two things about this. First, needs to be clearly stated that buyer pays for return shipping. I've seen this stated. Second, I note that of late, sellers are padding the hell out of the sales through excessive, even in some cases grotesque, shipping costs. They're bf high enough as it is... Don Pa

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

On 11/09/2012 13:17, David Kirkby wrote: If a buyer changes his mind, he will usually have to pay shipping both ways. I say "usually", because under the Distance Seller Regulations in the UK, if an individual (non-business) buys an item at a fixed price from a business, and they get it and don'

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

FedEx is great compared to UPS in Boulder. UPS boxes are usually crushed and beat up, FedEx the boxes are almost always pristine. Thomas Knox > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:02:15 -0500 > From: n...@verizon.net > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

The SC cut crystal is generally credited to Jack Kusters (of HP) and Errol Ernisse. The story was something like Errol proposed the concept and Jack actually made the first one, which was quite non-trivial. Jack used to joke that "SC" stood for Santa Clara. (Jack and I worked for the old HP Sant

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

It is credited to Errol EerNisse in 1974 who discovered it mathematically. David On 9/11/12 12:08 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message , Pete Lancashire writes: Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? I think I saw that mentioned in a BSTJ article I read recently. I'm reading them

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

Hi The answer to any crystal cut origin question is always a bit murky. People have been chopping quarts in strange ways for quite a while. Certainly the first to popularize the SC cut were the boys at HP. One common answer to these questions is "it's in Heising": http://books.google.com/books

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

On 9/11/2012 11:58 AM, David McGaw wrote: Curious. Civil time is based on UTC, not GPS. Shouldn't the "smart" phones account for the difference from GPS time? We have the technology. The problem is, Google doesn't have a clue. The issue was first reported to them almost 3 years ago - http:

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

Fedex ground is awful. Fedex air is fine. I go out of my way not to use Fedex ground. Fedex ground is mostly remnants of RPS. Air and ground operate like two different companies, at least in attitude. I have no idea if there is a firewall between them. -Original Message- From: Peter

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

In message , Pete Lancashire writes: >Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? I think I saw that mentioned in a BSTJ article I read recently. I'm reading them all, end to end, so don't ask me which one... Go here: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/ Search for "quartz" or any other intere

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

I've had FedEx destroy packages. One was so bad the driver told me he didn't even want to accept it at loading but thought I should see it before sending it back. The seller told me they gave him a really hard time and wanted to deny any responsibility as he had packaged using a us

[time-nuts] SC Cut

Curious who came up with the SC cut first ? The well done Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator doesn't say -pete ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/list

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

Curious. Civil time is based on UTC, not GPS. Shouldn't the "smart" phones account for the difference from GPS time? We have the technology. BTW, my Verizon CDMA "dumb" phone is currently only 1 second ahead, NOT 16 secs. David On 9/11/12 11:48 AM, James Tucker wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 20

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Mike S wrote: > On 9/10/2012 6:36 PM, Bob Smither wrote: >> >> >> May not be redundant for time nuts! I have an NTP client on my Android and >> it >> shows the network time (Sprint in my case) is often as much as 2 seconds >> behind UTC. > > > So that makes it, wha

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

After experiencing UPS issues, I now specify Fed-X where possible. The outside condition of the containers even look better when delivered. These people seem to care more about what they are doing. I once had a large ~150 lb low-pass RF filter that arrived by Fed-X freight that was delivered

[time-nuts] FTS Datum 1000B for sale

This unit has one 5Mhz and one 10Mhz output. See the data sheet at: http://www.gigatest.net/datum/1000b-r2.pdf Thanks, Corby Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffe

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

On 9/10/12 11:03 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM, David Kirkby wrote: I've also had to pay inport duties and VAT on this, which comes to a US equivalent of around $220. I doubt I will be able to recover that. Talk to your customs people. Almost always oin most co

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

On 11 September 2012 12:29, jim s wrote: > A friend has been off Ebay because he was nearly beside himself after doing > the same as you specify here for a beautiful Burroughs glass sided > calculator. It arrived in an manner nearly identical to the one in David's > package. > > The vendor claime

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

A friend has been off Ebay because he was nearly beside himself after doing the same as you specify here for a beautiful Burroughs glass sided calculator. It arrived in an manner nearly identical to the one in David's package. The vendor claimed no liability to do what he took money for and r

Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

On 11 September 2012 05:46, gary wrote: > Any chance the sellers name is Mark Bailey? No, it's not Mark Bailey. I assume he is someone else to avoid. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Time Interval Counters to measure Transients?

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Florian Teply wrote: > Apart from that, I'll also check with ACAM in Germany as they have > ready-made chips that would do that, and 65 to 120 ps RMS accuracy is > okay for the CMOS stuff. Maybe they sell their chips for only a few > hundred euros each... ;-) You