Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Tom Miller
In normal float battery service, the voltage is about 56 volts. During a equalize charge, it will be close to 60 volts. The unit you have most likely spent all its life at 56 volts. The 48 volt service comes from the nominal end of capacity voltage of a 48 volt (24 cells) at 2.0 volts (or less)

[time-nuts] It's grandparent's day...

2013-09-07 Thread Mark C. Stephens
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[time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Mark Sims
As I mentioned earlier, the RS-232 interface board that I built is for a non-NTP/non-Time-Nuts project. But, if I can make it useful in those applications, great. I am not going to add any parts to the board for them. That said, the MAX3232 chip has an extra RS-232 receiver on it. I can

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Mark C. Stephens
No worries, Dave, these Nortel/Trimble things are good bang for the dollars. My first one is sitting in the e-13's for PPS and OSC already - it's only been on 36 hours. I did replace the OXCO with a MV89A as the original osc was faulty, but, then again it only cost me $21.00 :) That's not quit

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread David J Taylor
From: Bob Bownes 100ms is an awful lot of 'inverter gates'! === You mis-understand - the inverter is simply to alter the negative-going logic to positive-going, not to delay! I had the same issue with my Sure Electronics board: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.ht

[time-nuts] TS-2100 gps receiver setup question

2013-09-07 Thread Howard Davidson
I bought a Datum Symmetricom TS2100 on e-bay. I've updated the firmware to 4.1. It did not have a gps module. After looking on time-nuts it appears that it wants a Trimble module. It will talk to a Resolution-T I had on hand. I can retrieve the firmware version, signal strengths, and satellite

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Bownes
100ms is an awful lot of 'inverter gates'! On Sep 7, 2013, at 23:15, Chris Albertson wrote: > With RS232 the data uses negative logic (low is "1") and the control > lines use positive logic (high is "1".) That is, a control line is > "asserted" when it is at logic 0, a positive voltage. > >

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Chris Albertson
With RS232 the data uses negative logic (low is "1") and the control lines use positive logic (high is "1".) That is, a control line is "asserted" when it is at logic 0, a positive voltage. Some one at one time must have thought this made sense. The good news is that a mistake is easy to detect

Re: [time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: > The 1PPS signal is normally low and pulses high for 100 milliseconds. The > RS-232 adapter board that I built feeds this into an RS-232 transmitter chip > (MAX3232), so on the interface connector CD will be at +V and pulse down to > -V. Is this what stock NTP likes?

[time-nuts] NTP/1-PPS/RS232 question

2013-09-07 Thread Mark Sims
I got in those Adafruit GPS boards. They are a very nice little GPS. VERY sensitive. I could get good lock indoors on my (windowless) kitchen floor. The house is 2 story, stucco with wire mesh in the stucco. I could also get lock in a restaurant that had a tin roof. We were far from any

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A reasonable ADEV for tau =1 is in the sub 2.0 x10^-9 range (or 2,000e-009). Bob On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:27 PM, "quartz55" wrote: > Thanks Mark, yeah, I think I'm getting the hang of this thing. The ADEV is > down to 1.032e-008 by this point. > > I think the red light was on because it was

Re: [time-nuts] NTBW50AA - General questions

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The NTBW50AA's (and their cousins) have a double oven in them. It's roughly 10 to 20X more stable (frequency vs temperature) than the OCXO in a 3801 or a TBolt. The GPS it's self appears to be very similar to the TBolt GPS, so it's a step up over a 3801. The firmware seems to work ok, but s

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
Thanks Mark, yeah, I think I'm getting the hang of this thing. The ADEV is down to 1.032e-008 by this point. I think the red light was on because it was going out of lock, it couldn't find the satellites until I did a survey. Then things started coming into perspective when it found my positi

[time-nuts] NTBW50AA - General questions

2013-09-07 Thread John Allen
Hi - Can you experts out there provide some general information on the NTBW50AA? Performance wise - how does I compare to the Z3805 or others? Thanks, John, K1AE, Bolton, MA John Allen - PC Support Solutions www.pcsupportsolutions.com PC On Site Service and Training - Computer HW/SW/Network deb

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Your screenshot is looking good, it is 30% through a 2000 sample survey. I don't know why you have a red LED. A red LED is generally hardware failure on the Trimble Nortel units AFAIK. Hit space bar in LH to get command help. Once you are used to LH it's a very powerful tool. e then e again write

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
I found the Menu "M". Now to figure out what all these things mean. Do I want to write this to the eeprom not that it's settled down? 'E' Dave N3DT ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mai

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
Ok, here's my latest screenshot, it seems to have located my position and has stayed locked green for quite a while now and there seem to be more green satellites. http://s251.photobucket.com/user/DogTi/media/time/17399-7_zpsfdb856e8.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 How do I save my position, I'm going to le

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
Where is the list of commands I can execute in LH? And where is an explanation of the verbiage in LH? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructi

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
Well, I'm still trying to figure out this LH program, I didn't know there were commands in it. I guess that's what all those / things are? Second time I powered it up, it didn't turn red, but did go into blinking green. As far as I can read the LH, it looks like the satellites are listed on t

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Mark C. Stephens
a) Hit s then s again in LH. (survey) b) something else caused red light (bad osc?) Adjust unit to correct UTC and co-ords may speed up. Where is the screen shot? --marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent

Re: [time-nuts] Vectron Model 251-1253A Crystal Oscullator Pin-Out

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Google turns up: http://www.datasheetarchive.com/CO-251-datasheet.html Which shows the pinout and power connections. Bob On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:39 PM, corc...@yahoo.ca wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Vectron Model 251-1253A would like to obtain the pin-out Like b+ and > 10 Mhz Output , Specifa

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If it's trying to get a position *and* it goes below 4 sats due to antenna location, it will go to the red light mode. Once it's got a position it will hold in there with one sat. The modern nav GPS's are much more sensitive than the older GPSDO's, so you will need a better antenna location

[time-nuts] Vectron Model 251-1253A Crystal Oscullator Pin-Out

2013-09-07 Thread corcsal
Hi,   I have a Vectron Model 251-1253A would like to obtain the pin-out Like b+ and 10 Mhz Output , Specifation Sheet would be great or any information Available   Thark You, Sal C. Cornacchia Electronic RF Engineer (RET) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- ti

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
OK, I got the thing started up, the com port seems to work with LH. Of course it says bad position. I've got a screen shot of the startup, after about 15 minutes the green LED went on, indicating lock, but after about a half hour, it went out and the red light went on indicating a fault accord

[time-nuts] Vectron Crystal Oacilator Pin-OUT

2013-09-07 Thread corcsal
Hi,   I have a Vectron Model 251-1253A would like to obtain the pin-out Like b+ and 10 Mhz Output , Specifation Sheet wou be great or any information Available   Thark You, Sal C. Cornacchia Electronic RF Engineer (RET) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time

Re: [time-nuts] First frequency counter

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I would suggest both the 5334 and the 5335. They aren't cheap from dealers, but from individuals you should be able to get them for the same $100 to $150 price as the 5316. I don't know if the shipping would be higher or not. Once you get things packed into a "long distance box" the weight d

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Sep 7, 2013, at 10:13 AM, quartz55 wrote: > OK, I'm staying away from the AC input, I can deal with the DC just fine. > I've got some decent TV coax, and it shouldn't be a 30' run to a good spot. Conventional TV coax (solid core rather than foam) is not ideal for GPS. The foam core sat

Re: [time-nuts] nortel NTGS50AA embarrassing moment OCXO EFC Pin open circuit

2013-09-07 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Just in case someone ends up in the same boat with the EFC control voltage not reaching the EFC pin on the OCXO. Due to the plated through hole being accidently but inadvertently removed, for example You can pick off the EFC control voltage from TP23 next to the great big 4u7 NP SM cap on the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS outage?

2013-09-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/6/13 8:36 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote: Fellow Time Nuts: Is this a site to be trusted?: http://adn.agi.com/SatelliteOutageCalendar/SOFCalendar.aspx Regards, John W. AGI are the folks who make and sell STK (Satellite Took Kit, I believe) which has a dominant position in the ma

[time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-07 Thread quartz55
OK, I'm staying away from the AC input, I can deal with the DC just fine. I've got some decent TV coax, and it shouldn't be a 30' run to a good spot. I have a very good view of the southern sky, actually that's about all I have. Heavy canopy of trees right above the shack area. Will trees blo

Re: [time-nuts] GPS outage?

2013-09-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I'd say that: HiNOTICE ADVISORY TO NAVSTAR USERS (NANU) 2013053 SUBJ: SVN34 (PRN04) FORECAST OUTAGE SUMMARY JDAY 246/1717 - JDAY 247/0029 1. NANU TYPE: FCSTSUMM NANU NUMBER: 2013053 NANU DTG: 040030Z SEP 2013 REFERENCE NANU: 2013052 REF NANU DTG: 291526Z AUG 201