Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-02 Thread Götz Romahn
Am 02.12.2014 04:29, : Hal, (see below) 4 RX+ 8 RX- Looks good. 5 TX+ 6 TX- I think there is a typo in there. That should be pins 5 and 9. I'm using pins 9, 8, and 7 as per Stewart's message that started this discussion. 3 and 7 ground Pins 1, 2, and

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-12-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 2 Dec 2014 03:10, wb6dgn_...@att.net[hp_agilent_equipment] hp_agilent_equipm...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Isn't the 10811 a double oven oscillator (an oven within an oven)? I also believe it has anticipator circuitry to predict changes based on environmental parameters. Or...am I confusing

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Output spectrum to 100 MHz

2014-12-02 Thread Götz Romahn
Hendrik, the 10 MHz may not be dirty. The spectrum you show is that of a 10 MHz rectangular wave and that's what on the output from the 10 MHz connector, just a (may be clean) TTL-level signal, nothing fancy. Götz Am 02.12.2014 07:57, : Hi List, here is my example spectrum taken with a

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:05 AM, LiAng lll...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Camp kb8tq@... writes: Hi Looks like something came loose when you swapped around the parts. That or the regulator is very noisy. Bob I know why the stop1-start is not stable. There is a noise generator

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Output spectrum to 100 MHz

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The interesting thing about the 10 MHz is that it is “clean enough”. The signal was designed to feed the reference for things like counters and spectrum analyzers. It’s plenty clean enough (spectrum, phase noise, and ADEV) for that use. There are a *lot* of 10 MHz OCXO’s out there with a

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Output spectrum to 100 MHz

2014-12-02 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Götz wrote: the 10 MHz may not be dirty. The spectrum you show is that of a 10 MHz rectangular wave and that's what on the output from the 10 MHz connector, just a (may be clean) TTL-level signal, nothing fancy. The odd harmonics of 10MHz do indicate a square-ish wave. But there is also

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes that’s a typo On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi If you dig back a month or so, there is a post with all the pinouts on all the connectors. 4 RX+ 8 RX- 5 TX+ 6 TX- should be pin 9 for TX- Sorry about that. Bob 3 and 7

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One clarification - there are multiple ways you can design an OCXO: 1) You can use an outer oven to improve the temperature stability under normal conditions. 2) You can use a second oven to “help” at the cold end of the range (maybe below -20C) 3) You can simply do a really good single

Re: [time-nuts] Wall clock stepper driver board and funky firmware

2014-12-02 Thread Patrick Tudor
On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I was scanning through the shared PCB projects on OSHPARK.COM http://oshpark.com/ and came upon this little driver for stepper motor wall clocks: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/gpkIWuAW

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] Re: Upgrade an HP 5342A microwave frequency counter to have an oven oscillator.

2014-12-02 Thread Scott McGrath
The 5342A counter and the 5345A counters both predate the 10811A and were originally fitted with 10544A oscillators for the option 1 high stability timebase Once the 10811A was released the instruments were fitted with the 10811A as a production change going forward and service replacements

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Output spectrum to 100 MHz

2014-12-02 Thread Chuck Harris
Yes, and the even harmonics are due to the waveform not being symmetrical (eg. 50%). The 5MHz subharmonic is probably due to a little jitter that comes out of the synthesizer/divider at that rate. -Chuck Harris Götz Romahn wrote: Hendrik, the 10 MHz may not be dirty. The spectrum you show is

Re: [time-nuts] Practical considerations making a lab standard with an LTE lite

2014-12-02 Thread Joel Jameson
Just to give back to the group, here are the connectors I chose from Digikey to make the GPS MMCX antenna included with the kit detachable for an enclosure: 1x ACX1499-ND CONN ADAPT JACK-JACK MMCX 50 OHM 1x 744-1715-ND RF CABL MMCX ML STR / ML RA 6 Cheers, Joel W0KGW On Tue, Nov

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz oscillators vs 100 MHZ

2014-12-02 Thread Ulrich Rhode via time-nuts
Hi from NJ, I am more involved in 100 Mhz to 128 MHz crystal oscillators and their measurements, 10 MHz design is new for me. I have analyzed and measured the famous HP 10 MHz SC based oscillator, disassembled it, admired and measured the crystal. Does anyone still makes such a large

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone Black driver for hardware timer capture

2014-12-02 Thread Iain Young
Hey Dan, You Wrote: I wrote a kernel driver for the BBB timer hardware. It produces pps events for things like ntpd to consume. The source for it is at https://github.com/ddrown/pps-gmtimer A side effect of this driver is it measures the interrupt latency and jitter on the BBB hardware.

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone Black driver for hardware timer capture

2014-12-02 Thread Dan Drown
Quoting Iain Young i...@g7iii.net: : Is your code able to support multiple inputs simultaneously ? FreeBSD's doesn't due to some architecture issue with the timing subsystem as I understand it. Or is it like the FreeBSD code, and I have to select exactly one of TIMER4-TIMER7 input pins to drive

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz Filters

2014-12-02 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks for the kind words, Dick. :-) However, a couple of notes on the TADD-1 bandpass filter: 1. I *don't* recommend installing it unless there is a good reason. As others have noted, any tuned circuit is a thermometer and will degrade ADEV performance. Other than the original test unit,

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz Filters

2014-12-02 Thread Richard Solomon
No problem, always glad to be of help to those in need. 73 es HH, Dick, W1KSZ On 12/2/2014 2:27 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Thanks for the kind words, Dick. :-) However, a couple of notes on the TADD-1 bandpass filter: 1. I *don't* recommend installing it unless there is a good reason.

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz oscillators vs 100 MHZ

2014-12-02 Thread John Miles
NEL has great OCXOs. Also worth checking out Wenzel (they own Croven Crystals and will sell them separately), Rakon, and Vectron. I haven't seen any 100 MHz OCXOs rated for -145 at 100 Hz, but -135 can be had. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-02 Thread Graham
Thanks all for answering my question. I looked through old posting but obviously didn't stumble upon Anthony's posting otherwise I would have had my answer. I made up a short cable to connect the Startech ICUSB422 to the KS-24361 J8 Diagnostic port and I can now connect. This is the final

[time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 aka Z3812A

2014-12-02 Thread Graham
Good evening all, After getting my RS-422 interface sorted and my remote serial to TCP configured, I am now able to connect to my KS-24361 boxes from a Win7 machine using a number of different applications to my LINUX box to which the 24361 is physically connected. On the LINUX box I am

[time-nuts] Z3805A: How to correct a 1024 week date error?

2014-12-02 Thread James Robbins
Brief update: This receiver (whatever it is) refuses to forget 1995 despite un-powering, etc. I will learn to live with it, I think. It was sold to me as a Z3801A updated to 58503A. However: 1. The main board is labeled Z3805A (Not Z3801A) as are some of the chips. 2. It has only one 10

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A: How to correct a 1024 week date error?

2014-12-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There’s a lot of commonality between the HP Z38xx designs up through the 3812. They are by no means identical, but as you have seen, they are not terribly different either. Welcome to the wonderful world of China Surplus Inc. It would not really surprise me to find that somebody simply

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A: How to correct a 1024 week date error?

2014-12-02 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 3 Dec 2014 02:08, James Robbins jsrobb...@earthlink.net wrote: Brief update: This receiver (whatever it is) refuses to forget 1995 despite un-powering, etc. I will learn to live with it, I think. You could report it to the seller as a fault. He must have quite a bit of experience on

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A: How to correct a 1024 week date error?

2014-12-02 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-12-02 19:46, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: On 3 Dec 2014 02:08, James Robbins jsrobb...@earthlink.net wrote: Another option would be to hack the ntp software so it gives out a correct date, assuming that you can determine what the It was sold to me as a Z3801A

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-02 Thread Anthony Roby
I sent you my posting earlier today, so hopefully you saw it. The Lucent unit seems liberal in its interpretation of the pinouts, but once you've deciphered it and got the +ve and -ve pins connected, it works reliably. Anthony -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz oscillators vs 100 MHZ

2014-12-02 Thread Ulrich Rhode via time-nuts
Hi John, thanks, I am more interested in the inner workings of the 10 MHz oscillators, and why they are about 10 db shy in phase noise. And yes I have build 100 MHz oscillators with -145 . Thanks , Ulrich In a message dated 12/2/2014 6:29:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

[time-nuts] Any tutorial available for Lady Heather displays?

2014-12-02 Thread mflawson2
Hi, I'm a new time nut -- first posting... For us newbie time nuts, is there any explanation on all the detailed data that's available in Lady Heather? I'm connected to a Trimble Resolution T. I understand some basic things like ADEV, but I can't find any explanations online for all the

[time-nuts] Oncore m12+t PPS sawtooth correction board.

2014-12-02 Thread Tom Wimmenhove
I'm using a soekris net4501 that I hacked according to http://www.febo.com/time-freq/ntp/soekris/ I have hacked a Motorola Oncore M12+T receiver inside the case on a piece of veroboard. It's really ugly, using a bunch of discretes for RS232 translation and such. A BNC on the front privides PPS for

Re: [time-nuts] ***SPAM*** Oncore m12+t PPS sawtooth correction board.

2014-12-02 Thread Mike Cook
Hi Tom, I would certainly be interested. I have 4 receivers that I would like to add that feature to. I was thinking of also trying the technique with other receivers, such as Trimble Jupiter/SMT or newer Ublox which provide quantization data so I was thinking of a more generic serial/PPS

Re: [time-nuts] Any tutorial available for Lady Heather displays?

2014-12-02 Thread Hal Murray
mflaws...@cox.net said: I want to learn more in general about timing, deviation, steering, GPSDO's, etc., Many years ago, I learned a lot by reading the manual for the Z3801A. It's an owners/operators manual rather than a tutorial, but you can learn a lot by reading between the lines.

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz oscillators vs 100 MHZ

2014-12-02 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 03.12.2014 um 00:28 schrieb John Miles: NEL has great OCXOs. Also worth checking out Wenzel (they own Croven Crystals and will sell them separately), Rakon, and Vectron. I haven't seen any 100 MHz OCXOs rated for -145 at 100 Hz, but -135 can be had. We had a few from Pascall that where