Re: [time-nuts] The home time-lab

2016-07-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ull load, so that you can also charge the batteries after an outage... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] The home time-lab

2016-07-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
own UPS. It would be interesting to see what the >parts cost totals out to. Taking the detour around mains is a bad idea, everybody who can are moving away from it. >What did you have in mind for a power line monitor? Plenty of high quality professional ones on eBay -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] python or matlab/octave for Keysight instruments?

2016-07-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
use other carriers (USB, TCP/IP etc) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by inc

Re: [time-nuts] Cable length calibration

2016-06-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
GPS antenna preamps will croak before you get up to 10V. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explai

Re: [time-nuts] Cable length calibration

2016-06-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
fference in cable-length. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] over-determined clock solution

2016-06-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ling out through the hard 1000 item limit of my TODO list... Johns WebSDR is probably a near perfect platform for playing with this... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD commit

Re: [time-nuts] 3120A issues

2016-06-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
o meet the RoHS criteria and apply the CE >mark and label." > > >Not really any details onnthe issue. Which part of "meet the RoHS criteria" was unclear ? Most likely lead-solder components. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] Mystery hp Ovens For Sale

2016-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
LORAN-C was the first with Cesium -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Maser 0.7 nsec jumps solved

2016-05-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
tage peak." You ought to have stopped and wondered at the "with an air gap in the core" and pondered if you SPICE models use of an ideal inductor was appropriate for something as electrically complex as an induction motor... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p.

Re: [time-nuts] Maser 0.7 nsec jumps solved

2016-05-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
trol *both* the voltage/time and the frequency/time *both* during startup and during rundown. I wouldn't bother fuzzing around with hacks - I'd just go for the known-to-work solution. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD co

Re: [time-nuts] Nuclear transition for time reference - Nature 5-May, 2016, vol 533

2016-05-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <cabj3bvozu6csxvmigj3dvenzusxac0zuqgyfkz-7lvb2_uv...@mail.gmail.com>, David Wit ten writes: >Much is published that comes to naught; I do not have knowledge to judge. >But it seemed interesting to me. Anything involving U233 sources is "interesting"...

Re: [time-nuts] Maser 0.7 nsec jumps solved

2016-05-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ly the magnetic impulse. If that is not enough, consider a small VFD drive, and ramp up voltage+frequency over 10 seconds. It's slightly more intrusive, as you will need to remove the starting capacitor from the motor to install the VFD. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
quot; project, would be to use a 48bit DDS chip to generate the 60+MHz drive signal for the microwave, and a "geophone" ADC chip to detect the modulation from the photo-diode, but that is even further out... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
.. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20160522164909.9fbc6cc820403cc70904e...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali writes: >Hoi Poul-Henning, > >On Fri, 20 May 2016 09:52:39 + >"Poul-Henning Kamp" <p...@phk.freebsd.dk> wrote: > >> >Temperature effects are by far the larg

Re: [time-nuts] US PNT Advisory Board

2016-05-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5740fc6e.9030...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >I see that the slide material is now up there: >http://www.gps.gov/governance/advisory/meetings/2016-05/ Good thing Edward Tufte didn't attend, he would have had a meltdown :-) -- Poul-

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
get below 5e-13, the temperature effects on electronic components should not be ignored either. The C-field circuit in particular. (Yes, I'm still working on it, just not very fast...) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD commit

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
presentative, that it makes any sense to sample it with 24 bits ? >Temperature effects are by far the largest effects we have to deal with. Which is why you'd be much better of with 20 sensors at 16 bits, than a single sensor at 24 bits. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] LTC3780 Buck-Boost Regulator upgrade for HP5065A and others applications

2016-05-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ng things: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20150930_dcdc/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be e

Re: [time-nuts] GENIUS by Stephen Hawking (PBS TV), with 5071A cesium clocks

2016-05-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
f a second per year; it's >the principle of the thing. Dont knock it, mathematically speaking, your relative benefit of difference will go asymptotically against infinity over time. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A environmental sensitivities

2016-05-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
es of air so there is bound to be some cross coupling were temperature sensitivities appear as pressure sensitivity. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to mal

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects

2016-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <b94f51f5-8498-1710-56b7-b1dd0e062...@earthlink.net>, jimlux writes: >On 5/15/16 1:12 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> In message <jh7fjbpcfb612319v9cq8u0blrus9ec...@4ax.com>, David writes: >> >>> Commercial use also inclu

Re: [time-nuts] patents and hobbyist projects (was: Temperature controlled TCVCXO)

2016-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
that you had to perform _all_ steps of a patent to infringe it: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-786_664d.pdf -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to

Re: [time-nuts] laser as clock source

2016-05-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
rs only work at high rate of photons. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] MSF 60KHz Problems?

2016-05-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
system overall. 60 kHz is often polluted by switch-mode power supplies. Check your surroundings for new consumer electronics. Also: Lawnmover robots. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position

2016-05-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e at the residuals for each satelite and see where to move: http://phk.freebsd.dk/raga/sneak/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequ

Re: [time-nuts] suitable statistics for measurements with gaps

2016-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ou to calculate statibilities for: tau [0..8h] tau [16h..32h] ... But with you will have to compensate your uncertainty for the missing samples. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] woodpecker sounds

2016-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Homo Sapiens in its natural habitat, and the first indicative results of the shape of such stories: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/149164/20160411/fitbit-tracker-likely-saved-this-mans-life-leading-doctors-to-shock-his-heart-back-to-normal.htm -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.

Re: [time-nuts] Time-nuttery at EFTF-2016

2016-04-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
straight line, in practice it is anything but. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] high rev isolation amps

2016-03-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ve less Stupid question: I would have expected them to use capacitance optimized transistors, also known as UHF transistors ? Something like BFQ19 maybe ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-

Re: [time-nuts] high rev isolation amps

2016-03-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ommitted orders >before kicking things off. Yes, please! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explain

Re: [time-nuts] Owner's Manual and advice for Austron 2110 Disciplined Frequency Standard

2016-03-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
o idea... It's one I bought cheap and it's not particularly good, so I have not spent a lot of time on it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can ad

Re: [time-nuts] Owner's Manual and advice for Austron 2110 Disciplined Frequency Standard

2016-03-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <599355eb-013e-4730-b41f-dd8606b2e...@n1k.org>, Bob Camp writes: >The 1150 OCXO has an EFC pin on it. The one I have has both EFC+ and EFC- pins. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] PTP Grandmaster Clock using Macro Sniffing

2016-03-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
which may or may not materialize in a couple of weeks. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: 5065

2016-03-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <C66D906890F94E07B26A6139637C04AE@pc52>, "Tom Van Baak" writes: With respect to 120/240VAC, the 5065 I have is jumpered for 5065, the manual (available from Artek) has the details. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A

2016-03-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <e814f.4cf4fd7d.441b1...@aol.com>, KA2WEU--- via time-nuts writes: >In my closet I found one of these, any merit to play with it ? I'm having oodles of fun with mine :-) http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX si

Re: [time-nuts] Unix software to generate nice looking *DEV plots

2016-03-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message

Re: [time-nuts] For those of us that did the CPU upgrade for the 5370

2016-03-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <caa-f0u8pa6xdnulut6r+zbxgw-c3fz-7sdgkhmatjkx_baj...@mail.gmail.com> , Pete Lancashire writes: >http://linuxgizmos.com/beefed-up-beaglebone-black-clone-launches-on-indiegogo/ I'm not sure I'd want a WLAN transmitter inside my 5370... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | U

Re: [time-nuts] Conditioning Rubidium Oscillators

2016-03-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
in real time* is not a solved problem. If/when you solve it, you would still have the problem of how to electrically instantiate that time information in the picosecond domain. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A repair

2016-03-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Best Rubidium Frequency Standard

2016-03-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
PPS ... that's a bit of >a problem. The Oncore GPS gives it to you before, and if the PRS10 has new enough firmware to support it, you have plenty of time to send it over there before the PPS pulse. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP sin

Re: [time-nuts] Best Rubidium Frequency Standard

2016-03-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
SIN offset second by second, so you cannot compensate for the "negative sawtooth", and the resulting "hanging bridges" means that you have to us a very unoptimal PLL time constant. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A flaws and improvements

2016-03-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
members have reported data that suggests a stability about >10X worse than this. I'm pretty sure that is easily fixable, it's Zener in the power-supply which has become temperature sensitive. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A flaws and improvements

2016-03-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message

Re: [time-nuts] quartz thermometers

2016-03-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
make the three and four digit claim for their quartz thermometers: Compared to resitive temperature sensors, practically no energy is dissipated in/by the crystal. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] quartz thermometers

2016-03-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <am4pr05mb1507d283eede2228e5bbe89695...@am4pr05mb1507.eurprd05.prod. outlook.com>, Alan Ambrose writes: >Anyone know why they died out? Did a better technology replace them? Worse but cheaper technology replaced them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Frequency Standard

2016-03-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <aabmqgfv6adca...@smtpout02.dca.untd.com>, cdel...@juno.com writes: >Luciano is correct. The HP 5065A beats all the others easily. There's one for sale on ebay.fr these days. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP

Re: [time-nuts] Old xtal filter

2016-03-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Hz. What could this have been used >for, with such a narrow bandwidth? The 100kHz center frequency pretty much rules out that it comes from carrier telephony. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | B

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Outage..

2016-02-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
gt;on CDMA or some (but not all) advanced TDMA systems. The BSTJ contains some very interesting articles about how synchronization got introduced and rolled out in the telephone network originally. You can find them on archive.org -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.2

Re: [time-nuts] HP Reliability

2016-02-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
re federal budget into high-tech and consequent innovations. (while claiming to be a "capitalistic market economy" :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t _that_ important any more. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] 2016 European Frequency and Time Seminar

2016-02-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <56ba2a53.2060...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >> For more information please read the webpage: >> http://efts.eu > >Agree with Attila, it's a week full of knowledge and fun. Now, if you could persuade them to do a flea-market also.

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: Official Press Release - GPS Ground System Anomaly

2016-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
not sure I *really* care for most usage. I don't think most NTPD based servers would even notice the pattern I saw on my receivers. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attri

Re: [time-nuts] GPS jumps of -13.7 us?

2016-01-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
in-house standards. Here is a quick plot: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/20160126_gps.svg The two receivers see the same (number of) satelites, but the jumps happen at widely different times. Magnitude around 14 microseconds seems confirmed. These are both Oncore timing receivers. --

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5372A advice

2016-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <569fde69.2020...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >Good, then I have not remembered completely wrong. The 5371 and 5373 manuals are not without relevance either, and don't overlook the app-notes and the HPJ (1989-02) articles either. -- Poul-Hen

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
o explanation good explanation. Any on-chip PLL's with "spread-spectrum" to fudge EMI tests ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what

Re: [time-nuts] Timelab, two SR620s and losing samples

2016-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
n't add that input just to take up space. If you insist on pacing via the GPIB, the protocol has a primitive for that, TRG, which is usually hardwired to the external trigger circuitry in quality instruments. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
tographed with flash.) If you insist on using LEDs as voltage references, the first thing you need to do is to dip the LED in something which shields it 100% from incoming light *including infrared* -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP sinc

Re: [time-nuts] Timelab, two SR620s and losing samples

2016-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
three-wire handshake is sufficient to cause trouble. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. __

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
put, they're basically heating elements and they don't cool down nearly fast enough. Try with fluorescent light instead, there's a reason people accuse them of flickering. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Timelab, two SR620s and losing samples

2016-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
tanding: Talk-only does *not* protecting you against timing issues on GPIB. On RS-232, yes, but not on GPIB. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] Timelab, two SR620s and losing samples

2016-01-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
r are always in lock-step. Therefore, talk-only mode is a big advantage in terms of decoupling on RS-232 and makes almost no difference on GPIB. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tah

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
PU, even in a DIP8, for something so mundane... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Fixing broken HP5065A LED clock

2016-01-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the 2-board version. See the section about MM5313 here: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20151225_clock/index.html I think you can use my PCB to make the 3-board a 2-board but you'd have to change some constants in the firmware to send out 50Hz rather than 1Hz. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

[time-nuts] Fixing broken HP5065A LED clock

2016-01-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This probably belongs in the category of serious overkill, but it was a nice excuse to learn KICAD and fab a PCB with it: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/HP5065A/20160112_working_clock/index.html I have 9 spare PCBs in case anybody have similar issues. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ter or worse ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
It seems to me that the code they use for the 6731M signal is botched, anybody who can confirm ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
S700s seem to be locking ok again but still with >the monitored signal dropping out from time to time so I guess we just need >to be patient and treat it as work in progress. I can lock too, but best lock is to the 3rd pulse in the master signal using the slave-code... -- Poul-Henning

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I see both a master and slave on 6731 from Denmark now. Same signal strength: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/_.svg -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

[time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
idea ? What am I overlooking ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Not needing isolation amps seems like a plus to me. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
sting output will be coming out of a LPF so most of the noise will die there? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
o find the zero-crossings ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. __

Re: [time-nuts] Loran Europe Lessay seems to be back on air?

2016-01-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
nd than Anthorn. Are you sure it's not UK trying to rig something up for their eLoran trials ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequate

[time-nuts] Europe VLF almost without Loran-C

2016-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I spent an hour with the HP8568B to document the time-relevant signals left in VLF: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/20151231_end_of_nels/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C Norway/France/Germany shutdown

2015-12-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
thorn, 6731Y, is still up. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

Re: [time-nuts] Springer textbooks >10 years old now available for download as PDF at no cost

2015-12-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <568341b9.8030...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >Would other titles be found, it would be nice if the links would be >shared for them too. We really need to make a time-nuts wiki to collect all this stuff in... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20151220235152.gc23...@cs.utwente.nl>, Pieter-Tjerk de Boer writes: >I'm the developer of that WebSDR, and I was already planning to use it to >make some raw signal recordings on New Year's eve. Thankyou! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
connecting workstations in an office to a hub, so that only the hub had to attach to the "backbone" coax. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ow this station will not >shut down... I have not been able to find any announcements about Sylt either, but it would be truly strange if that single station continues running... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD com

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
topology vs. bus) and signal quality (IT people were horrible at "sharking" and crimping coax.) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Nev

[time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
that just a water-fall would be nice... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
kind) which are certified for medical use, they usually have wastly superior specs on all these "secondary" paramters, but only twice the cost. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tah

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ed precision dramatically. You really only need 3 stations to navigate, but for typical layouts the fourth station gives many more nautical square miles per buck than the first three. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody who can record last Loran-C transmissions ?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
nice. The 8000 chain >should suddenly be quite alone. Yes. It will be interesting to see if that makes it usable. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ough conduction. Tony Waldron argued similar for audio systems: http://www.fragrantsword.com/twaudio/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what

Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
nning [1] The two lost/marooned Galileo sats have cost about the same as updating and running Loran-C for 10-15 years would have. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attrib

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
-acid is still the best way to go. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. __

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is incompatible with tying all the BNC's together. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5672a8ed.1010...@g7iii.net>, Iain Young writes: >The UK is (supposedly) supportive of eLORAN, Yeah, but you need 3 transmitters and if norway and france closes there is *at best* Anthorn and Sylt left. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Ze

Re: [time-nuts] SMD TADD-1 distribution amplifier - seeking comments and suggestions?

2015-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ds/2015/12/2015-12-17_fda_spurs_and_comments.png >interpretations and explanations are welcome! >The board was not enclosed in a metal can for these tests. Isn't that the explanation ? Any SMPS in the vicinity is going to show up... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

[time-nuts] End of Loran-C in Europe confirmed.

2015-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ory of how US military saw the light in radio-navigation: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/jack_pierce.html#spring The full memoir is 1st. class nerd-reading. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] Phase microstepper designs?

2015-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
(almost) 5MHz -> 15 MHz -> 15MHz is just asking for low frequency trouble. If I were to design such a product, I would pick the stable OCXO to have a frequency well removed from the target frequency on as many decimal digits as possible. 3.1415926535... MHz if I could get away with it. --

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and oscillator steering - EFC vs DDS schemes?

2015-12-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
d to be close-in multiples, so coping with the spurs becomes non-trivial. That basically means that you need 50% higher DDS and DAC resolution than everybody else in the market an suddenly it isn't cheap any more. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | T

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO and oscillator steering - EFC vs DDS schemes?

2015-12-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
with pi before putting it >into their time-plan. :) Interesting. In computing we make a random guess at the duration. The manager is supposed to multiply the numeric part by two and shift the unit to the next higher one. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.or

Re: [time-nuts] Hydrogen maser frequency jumps

2015-12-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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Re: [time-nuts] Hydrogen maser frequency jumps

2015-12-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
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[time-nuts] Need tiny 5MHz 10x amplifier

2015-11-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ince space is a bit tight, I've been trying to find something like a "x10 self-biasing amplifier" but without luck. Any good ideas ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ere, so even with the rather suboptimal charging circuit (not atypical for its vintage) they'll probably survive for a number of years just fine. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribu

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