Re: [time-nuts] FTS 4060 Cesium Time Frequency Standard, Datum

2013-10-02 Thread Tom Knox
If anyone has a service manual I am also very interested. Thanks Thomas Knox From: tmil...@skylinenet.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 13:22:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FTS 4060 Cesium Time Frequency Standard, Datum Hello Corby, Thanks for the help. Yes, could

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 4060 Cesium Time Frequency Standard, Datum

2013-10-01 Thread Tom Knox
I am currently attempting to put together a working clock out of a 4060 and two 4065's in various states of disrepair and have the the same question you posted since most likely one or two of mine have depleted tubes. Does anyone have PDF's of the service manuals on either of these units? I

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-29 Thread Tom Knox
Actually Dr Kent Irwin at NIST has developed very small and extremely sensitive detectors using SQUIDs. Not exactly a project that can be duplicated at home though. There are a number of articles about his work on line. Thomas Knox Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:11:38 -0700 From:

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-29 Thread Tom Knox
No I don't have room since I set up my dilution refrigerator for Football season. Thomas Knox Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:24:12 -0700 From: jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos On 9/29/13 1:52 PM, Tom Knox wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-28 Thread Tom Knox
I am just thinking out loud on this, But it seems you could use carrier phase from plain star light since the light spectrum from stars have spikes and notches which are constant and using the same concept as the Hubble Constant a spacecraft could determine speed, direction, and position. Like

Re: [time-nuts] CBT designation and usage?

2013-09-27 Thread Tom Knox
With a cesium standards cheap is truly relative since the remaining of tube life will make of break just about any deal regardless of price. Where it is hard to pay to much for a 5071A with a fresh tube. But I am curious also what others would consider cheap. Thomas Knox Date: Fri, 27 Sep

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-27 Thread Tom Knox
Wenzel has low phase noise amps the will meet your needs and with prices from about $150-$300 the are an excellent value. Thomas Knox Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:53:10 -0700 From: rich...@karlquist.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Knox
If there is Alien life on this planet they are most assuredly Time-Nuts. Thomas Knox From: paul.ree...@uk.thalesgroup.com To: m...@maxsmusicplace.com; time-nuts@febo.com Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:59:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos Some of them might

Re: [time-nuts] Pulsars make a GPS for the cosmos

2013-09-26 Thread Tom Knox
It seems you would need to think of the Pulsar as the clock behind the GPS sat. You then have an algorithm to add the other need information at the rec end. To make things easier add to the constellation one master clock signal with corrections and other needed info from earth. Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061B Beam Tubes

2013-09-23 Thread Tom Knox
Thanks Corby for adding the link, I should have provided the link in my earlier post. The shipping concern is because Cesium or Caesium metal is highly reactive and very pyrophoric. In addition to igniting spontaneously in air, it reacts explosively with water even at low temperatures, but the

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061B Beam Tubes

2013-09-23 Thread Tom Knox
to an extent. I still have very low beam. Thats what amazes me most is the darn thing actually locks by itself. So increasing the temperature is worth a try. Regards Paul. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Corby for adding the link, I should have

Re: [time-nuts] HP5061B Beam Tubes

2013-09-22 Thread Tom Knox
The HP and Symmetricom Cesium standards have a hazmat exemption. Thomas Knox From: li...@rtty.us Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:46:18 -0400 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP5061B Beam Tubes Hi Well I can answer that one. Sending a 5071 back to Symmetricom and getting a

[time-nuts] Reflections and Low Phase Noise

2013-09-21 Thread Tom Knox
If this at first appears to be off topic read on. Having this year survived fire evacuations and most recently what has been called anything from a five to 1000 year flood here in Boulder, I have has a little time to reflect on just how lucky I was. Over the last few years I have made a few

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5061A Problem

2013-09-21 Thread Tom Knox
If you have another reference like a GPS or Rubidium it makes set up much easier since you simply tune to 5MHz and then adjust current. The High Perf Tubes often needed to be degaussed, I have the 10638A but no cable if that is any help contact me off list. Also placing an external power supply

Re: [time-nuts] Reflections and Low Phase Noise

2013-09-21 Thread Tom Knox
I have heard it called about everything up to a 1000 year flood. But I also heard a University of Colorado professor who monitors Boulder creek called it a twenty five year flood. In any case I was lucky. Thanks; Thomas Knox To: time-nuts@febo.com From: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Date: Sat, 21

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update

2013-09-12 Thread Tom Knox
What makes Ham Radio and the Time Nuts site successful is the comeradery and respect we feel for those with a mutual interest. Time Nuts allows everyone novice to industry professionals in the Time and Frequency community to freely exchange ideas, and perhaps more importantly meet others with a

Re: [time-nuts] BVA Oscillaotrs

2013-08-30 Thread Tom Knox
I may be mistaken but I thought the very close in Ultra Low Phase Noise was what the BVA name was built on, even more then Aging. But with the performance advances of Wenzel and others over the past few decades it is difficult to justify the price. Thomas Knox Ascent Concepts and Technology

Re: [time-nuts] B.V.A. 8600 for sale

2013-08-29 Thread Tom Knox
I could be wrong but I thought when I priced these for work the BVA 8600 AT cut was substantially cheaper then that. I think the $11,000 is more in line with a BVA 8607 SC cut with an option. But from my point of view the close in Phase Noise on this particular oscillator is what dictates it's

Re: [time-nuts] [time nuts] B.V.A. 8600 for sale

2013-08-29 Thread Tom Knox
The SiloTest unit was a very very early BVA. But that said the actual adev and pn performance of that BVA should be the deciding factor as to ultimate value. Thomas Knox Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:29:40 +0200 From: azelio.bori...@screen.it To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] B.V.A. 8600 for sale

2013-08-29 Thread Tom Knox
: Re: [time-nuts] B.V.A. 8600 for sale Hi On Aug 29, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: I could be wrong but I thought when I priced these for work the BVA 8600 AT cut was substantially cheaper then that. I think the $11,000 is more in line with a BVA 8607 SC cut

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Knox
It is my understanding that Quartz has a sweet spot at 5MHz that makes it ideal if the lowest possible phase noise and highest stability are needed. Thomas Knox Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 19:57:16 +0200 From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-02 Thread Tom Knox
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:02 PM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz It is my understanding that Quartz has a sweet spot at 5MHz that makes

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801 melted rubber feet. Heads up

2013-07-27 Thread Tom Knox
I have seen the same problem in the Fluke 5700A and 5720A calibrators on the bottom board quite often and they do not run that hot and are usually in a lab enviroment. Thomas Knox To: time-nuts@febo.com From: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 19:22:10 -0700 Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Suggestions

2013-07-14 Thread Tom Knox
On the other end of the price spectrum, depending on budget I think a great value is an Agilent L1500A . There is currently one on eBay with a tracking generator for $2000 make offer so perhaps $1200-1500 . It is portable, accurate , relieable, and super user friendly instrument. If you can

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Suggestions

2013-07-14 Thread Tom Knox
On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: On the other end of the price spectrum, depending on budget I think a great value is an Agilent L1500A . There is currently one on eBay with a tracking generator for $2000 make offer so perhaps $1200-1500

Re: [time-nuts] Very stable synthesizer, alternative to PTS(Programmed Test Sources) x10 or 040?

2013-07-09 Thread Tom Knox
The best I have test by far is the Rohde SMA100A with option B22 LPN. The Agilent E8663D is very good also. The 8664/5A/B with option 004 LPN or the IFR 2041/2 are perhaps the best at a reasonable price. Thomas Knox Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:53:54

Re: [time-nuts] Grinding crystals...

2013-06-21 Thread Tom Knox
I hope no one minds if I take a moment to reflect. Crystals are a great example of what can be accomplished today in physics and how far we still have to go. Crystals are still really is as much art as science. I think that is what draws me to draw of Time and Freq, one day you can be taking

Re: [time-nuts] [OT} audiophile outlets.....

2013-06-19 Thread Tom Knox
I wonder what is the best way to obtain 44.1KHz from a 5-10MHz reference. Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:14:17 -0600 From: alanh...@gmail.com To: j...@quikus.com; time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [OT} audiophile outlets. Rb or Cs locked 50/60 Hz AC power might

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for datasheet for Oscilloquartz 8602

2013-05-28 Thread Tom Knox
sell yours for? I imagine that in view of what you would sell for the guys $4500 price looks a bit more reasonab le. I guess my question is what would you pay and what have you paid for a 5MHz oscillator with -120dB @1Hz? what about -130dB @1Hz? what about -135dB at 1Hz? Tom Knox Date: Tue

Re: [time-nuts] 9390 GPS RX

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Knox
I am sure someone brought this up already, you appear to be seeing the rubidium attempting to lock. The sweeping is the oscillators attempt to find the Rubidium Resonance. It should lock in 15-20 minutes. Thomas Knox Remember tact is the art of making someone feel at homewhen you

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO shock protection

2013-05-20 Thread Tom Knox
Several co-workers have researched this subject extensively and have published a number of interesting papers on the subject. The other question is what is the nature of seismic activity in general, and specifically in your area. If I am not mistaken the force vectors can vary greatly depending

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Tom Knox
Anyone who is serious about Time and Freq has run into ground loop problems, and finding a solution is often more Art then Science A common solution is star grounding, Another approach is grid work grounding, another possible solution is to isolate each instrument. Most often some trial and

Re: [time-nuts] vs Hg ion? Re: GPS clock stabilitiy, Rb vs Cs

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Knox
The idea of a Mercury Ion clocks started about 2000 and from about 2005 until recently has held the title of worlds most accurate clock. Approx 1 sec per 1.6 billion years the last I heard. At the heart is a single trapped mercury atom. Jim Bergquist at NIST was one of those that lead the

[time-nuts] Extended length Phase Noise Measurements with TimeLab

2013-05-03 Thread Tom Knox
Recently I was looking at a co-workers Lab View measurements taken with a 5120A. She is studying vibration on Phase Noise. I asked how Lab View compared to TimeLab and she said in many ways she prefers TimeLab but ran into a problem. The research she is currently conducting requires collecting

Re: [time-nuts] (Datum) FTS-4040A cesium, and STEL-1173 NCO chip

2013-04-29 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Stu; Interesting, I have a problem Datum 4040A as well. I purchased it several years ago and when it fail to work correctly I put it aside. I wonder if mine has the same problem, I find your assessment that the STEL-1173 is problematic interesting. I have found over the years that certain

Re: [time-nuts] S743 Marketplace Fariness Act

2013-04-23 Thread Tom Knox
The eBay emails appear real since it can also be accessed on my actual eBay site. I cannot imagine what a pain it would be to sell 20 items on eBay each to a buyer in a different state and be required to file the paperwork to pay taxes on each of those sales. This is a formula for disaster.

Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-18 Thread Tom Knox
start a new thread. Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 19:58:22 +0200 From: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] antennas was Re: Common-View GPS Network On 04/18/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/18/13 12:01 AM, Chris Albertson wrote

Re: [time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A

2013-04-03 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Bob; I was wondering who won the unit. They are very nice oscillators. With noise on older equipment like the 1050A I would check and/or replace caps. I am about to do that to my own 1050A. It may not resolve the problem, but it will eliminate that possibility. I look forward to hearing how

Re: [time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A

2013-04-03 Thread Tom Knox
My last one was eBay as well. Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 23:15:06 -0400 From: bobda...@triad.rr.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Question about FTS 1050A Dick, If you're asking about the FTS 1050A it was on Ebay. I believe Symmetricom still sells them but

[time-nuts] Building a Agilent Cross Correlated Phase Noise Measurement System.

2013-03-30 Thread Tom Knox
We are looking into using two N/E550XA/B Phase Noise systems and the 89410A to build a Cross Correlated measurement system. I was wondering if anyone has attempted this before? Does anyone know where to find the base GPIB command codes for the 70420A system? Thanks; Thomas Knox Phase Noise

Re: [time-nuts] Building a Agilent Cross Correlated Phase Noise Measurement System.

2013-03-30 Thread Tom Knox
, KE5FX Miles Design LLC -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:17 AM To: Time-Nuts Subject: [time-nuts] Building a Agilent Cross Correlated Phase Noise Measurement

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amplifier phase noise

2013-03-14 Thread Tom Knox
I think designing a good distribution amp is much more difficult then it would seem at first glance. But placing it in a system is the real challenge. If you have a ULN 5MHz oscillator that has phase noise of -125dB @ 1Hz and a noise floor of 167dB @10KHz it will take some real attention to

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread Tom Knox
I use some Pomonas also and I think they are single shielded except the Y which is double shielded. This may explain some artifacts I have in my house reference. Great Thread Thomas Knox To: time-nuts@febo.com From: johncr...@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:08:15 -0500 Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] truetime 820-350 display

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Tammy; Here is a link to the operation and service manual on Symmetricoms site: www.symmetricom.com/link.cfm?lid=5283 Best Wishes; Thomas Knox 4475 Whitney Place Boulder Colorado 80305 1-303-554-0307 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:35:56 -0700 From: tammy-li...@wiztech.biz To:

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-30 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Rick; Starting with a hp supply this finesse regulator will really clean up the output. http://www.wenzel.com/documents/finesse.html Best Wishes; Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:16:46 -0800 From: rich...@karlquist.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Low noise power

Re: [time-nuts] ensemble oscillators for better stability

2012-12-29 Thread Tom Knox
I think the key is to always obtain the best oscillator/s possible. Combining oscillator for lower Phase Noise does work but with diminishing returns. If I am not mistaken 2 perfectly matched phase locked oscillators can theoretically lower Phase Noise 3dB, four can lower Phase Noise

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Mayans

2012-12-19 Thread Tom Knox
Does anyone have ideas on how I can trigger my camera to capture the end of the world roll over on my clocks. Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:13:34 -0800 From: j...@quikus.com To: Time-Nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] OT: Mayans -John ===

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A cooling requirements?

2012-12-19 Thread Tom Knox
I think the data shows that the heaters were losing ground, which would explain the steadily falling temp of the SC cut quartz. Thomas Knox From: saidj...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:28:15 -0500 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A cooling requirements? Bob, I

[time-nuts] GWEN

2012-12-18 Thread Tom Knox
Is the GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) still active, and why was this never combined with LORAN or WWV? I had never heard of this controversial network until recently, and never knew it had a number of stations here in Colorado, one only five miles away. Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] 3120A Phase Noise Test Probe

2012-12-01 Thread Tom Knox
Great to hear John. Thomas Knox Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 13:24:35 -0700 From: ke...@rosenberg.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 3120A Phase Noise Test Probe Magnus Danielson wrote: Congratulation John! Good work! Truly well-deserved, John! Kevin

Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal. Shipping delays

2012-11-17 Thread Tom Knox
I have been waiting for two N1922A sensors for a couple months now from Agilentused the new eBay site. They have already offered a substantial discount on my next purchase. And their prices were already very good. The only concern is the delay has put the transaction beyond the point the eBay

Re: [time-nuts] HP-53132A Faded and flickering display

2012-11-13 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Edgardo; I have been looking for a part number and source. There was a part number posted but it was for the 34401A which is slightly different. I will post price and availability if I find them. Best Wishes; Thomas Knox From: xe1...@amsat.org Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:37:08 -0600 To:

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 software and adjustment Ref queston

2012-11-12 Thread Tom Knox
In step 2 is this my Lab Ref, or the SR620 ref out that is put into Ext Ref and Input A ? Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:52:13 -0800 From: garn...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] SR620 software and adjustment Volker: This is the adjustment

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 software and adjustment Ref queston

2012-11-12 Thread Tom Knox
the reference in step 2 is the best reference you own, not the internal ref. sorry for the confusion. -eric On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: In step 2 is this my Lab Ref, or the SR620 ref out that is put into Ext Ref and Input A ? Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] A counter for phase measures

2012-11-03 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Magnus; I hope this is not to far off thread. Has anyone in the group done real world measurements of single shot res, and jitter on the new Agilent and Tektronix/Pendulum counters compared to the SR620 and Agilent 53132A. I would imagine that counter designs would be an area that really

Re: [time-nuts] HP-53132A Faded and flickering display

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Knox
The replacement display board is available for about $550. The display itself may be available if you could find the part number for about $125, but Agilent WILL NOT give the raw display part number out. I ran into this same problem with the 3458A and was finally able to find the number and

Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer 5A 5P PSU/battery question

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Magnus; I have looked several times for an article that explains charging perimeters for the various types of batteries on the market. So many freq standards have outdated battery technology. It would be nice to find an modern alternative battery that does not require much modification to

Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer 5A 5P PSU/battery question

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Magnus; I know I am stating the obvious but the batteries with no external power provides by far the lowest noise. And if that is desired NiMh have a much better discharge characteristic then NiCd. But there is something to be said for maintaining the oscillator in factory original

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO three cornered comparisons

2012-10-21 Thread Tom Knox
It would be interesting to switch the A and B oscillators. The 10811 spec can vary widely. Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:21:08 +1000 From: dho...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] GPSDO three cornered comparisons Hi All, I have an HP 58503A and a

Re: [time-nuts] Hp 58503A

2012-10-16 Thread Tom Knox
I overlooked it also. Glad the problem is resolved. Thomas Knox Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:31:13 -0400 From: mdan...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hp 58503A I guess this it what they would call a rookie move? WOW, i feel like an idiot. I just loaded it down

[time-nuts] Wenzel oscillator with 10811B GPS style form factor

2012-10-14 Thread Tom Knox
Hi; I recently found a few Wenzel oscillators with the 10811B 58503A/B style case and connections. These are hermetically sealed unlike the HP units. Does anyone know what product these were used in or any other information about these? Thanks; Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] Wenzel oscillator with 10811B GPS style form factor

2012-10-14 Thread Tom Knox
. I suspect everybody in the business made parts in that package. Bob On Oct 14, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi; I recently found a few Wenzel oscillators with the 10811B 58503A/B style case and connections. These are hermetically sealed unlike the HP

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811A failure

2012-10-13 Thread Tom Knox
Sounds like another dead cap. Thomas Knox Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:51:54 +0200 From: rfn...@arcor.de To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] HP 10811A failure Hi All, both of my double oven 10811A's have been running flawlessly until now when I noticed that the output power

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811A failure

2012-10-13 Thread Tom Knox
Azelio Boriani schrieb: And, why 12V for the oven? The 10811A manual states from 20V to 30V for the oven. 12V for the oscillator itself. On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like another dead cap. Thomas Knox Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14

Re: [time-nuts] To use or not to use transmission line splitters for GPS receivers

2012-10-09 Thread Tom Knox
I believe it is possible for splitters to be invisible to your system. My first choice would be multiple Antennas. But if you have multiple GPS receivers and require outputs to your test bench, splitters are the logical choice. That said the splitter adds complexity to the system and

Re: [time-nuts] 5071A Cs Oven

2012-10-04 Thread Tom Knox
We really need a group buy of 5071A tubes for a couple hundred each. Thomas Knox Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:10:11 -0400 From: paulsw...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5071A Cs Oven Learn something every day here. How to really extend the old dead C life a bit

Re: [time-nuts] E1938A PN measurments

2012-09-30 Thread Tom Knox
Rick it is really fantastic to see Time Nuts occasionally discuse different aspects of products they actually designed. This form is really a treasure. In the future it would be interesting to here how you would approach the next quartz industry standard. The next generation Blue-Top or BVA.

Re: [time-nuts] Question on OSA8600 Oscillators

2012-09-26 Thread Tom Knox
a POT and the DB9 to DB9 crossover wiring adapter. You can then see the correct pinout since the internal DB9 connector on the main BVA is conventionally wired. Email of call if I can be of more help. Best Wishes; Tom Knox Time and Frequency Division NIST 4475 Whitney

Re: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie

2012-09-25 Thread Tom Knox
Are you sure it is fiction? It sounds like the only place Lance Armstrong will be allowed to ride his bike in 2050. Thomas Knox From: b...@iaxs.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:05:13 -0500 Subject: [time-nuts] WOT: Identify this movie It's a dark and quiet night,

Re: [time-nuts] Question on OSA8600 Oscillators

2012-09-25 Thread Tom Knox
is conventionally wired. Email of call if I can be of more help. Best Wishes; Tom Knox Time and Frequency Division NIST 4475 Whitney Place Boulder Colorado 80305 1-303-554-0307 From: df...@ulrich-bangert.de To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:14:47 +0200 Subject: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS over fiber

2012-09-24 Thread Tom Knox
Using my Aeroflex GPS simulator and Agilent ENC analyzer I could see no noticeable effect on S/N. But these signal are near the analyzers limit. Best Wishes; Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:41:42 -0700 To: time-nuts@febo.com From: e...@telight.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS over

Re: [time-nuts] cozevolosjce

2012-09-23 Thread Tom Knox
I do not think this is an intentional email from the addressee. I have seen something like this several years ago. It is some sort of malware. Thomas Knox Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:58:38 -0700 From: wb6...@cox.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] cozevolosjce True-cal,

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting...

2012-09-20 Thread Tom Knox
Hi; Same one. Phase Noise stinks. Yes it is small but add a descent oscillator and you have lost the size advantage. Still very cool. Thomas Knox Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:57:31 -0700 From: li...@lazygranch.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Interesting... Is this

Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

2012-09-19 Thread Tom Knox
Ron; I think the Wenzel Blue Tops are very good. Thomas Knox From: n6idl...@comcast.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:31:25 -0700 Subject: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals Hi: Does anyone know who made the crystal for the HP-106 and / or Sulzer

Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

2012-09-19 Thread Tom Knox
$1M. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:47 AM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals Ron; I think the Wenzel Blue Tops

Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

2012-09-19 Thread Tom Knox
was HP's Blue Stripe Replacement program about? Thanks, Ron -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:38 AM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz

Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals

2012-09-19 Thread Tom Knox
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:38 AM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP-106 and Sulzer Quartz Crystals Hi Bob; Quartz is of course and art so generally speaking the BVA is great very close in, but at 1Hz they do not have much if any better

Re: [time-nuts] 100 watt higher LED power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Paul; I started thinking about this project because we are installing a new EMC room at work and thought we could use totally eliminate lighting as a noise source with LED lighting. Allowing lighting during even the most precise measurements. While researching I ran across some amazing

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Tom Knox
I remember reading that Hollywood played with faster frame rates and found a substantial number of people experience motion sickness. Thomas Knox Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:51:07 -0700 From: jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power

Re: [time-nuts] Reducing lab noise with LED lighting.

2012-09-17 Thread Tom Knox
supply? Plenty of amps available and those switchers have typically had to have their EMI emissions cleaned up. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox Sent: Sunday

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Tom Knox
Great dialog, One thing I have seen is the Allan intercept almost always has a knee. If you wanted the best possible GPS quartz reference developing a variable Allan intercept would allow this knee to be moved and then mathematically removed during a gated measurement. Allowing to effectively

[time-nuts] Reducing lab noise with LED lighting.

2012-09-16 Thread Tom Knox
In this green era here in the USA there is a big push toward CFL lighting. Problem is I can see my CFL lighting on my PN measurements and other equipment. I am finding it is very noisy so I have started researching cost effective LED lighting and was amazed at what is available. On eBay there

[time-nuts] GPS over fiber

2012-09-14 Thread Tom Knox
I may have the opportunity to bulk purchase several Very high end GPS over fiber systems. This system is great if you have a long cable run; or in my case, to isolate my Time and Freq system from lightning strikes. I understand they are two Antenna systems and they will work with any antenna

Re: [time-nuts] GPS over fiber

2012-09-14 Thread Tom Knox
:36:48 +0200 From: azelio.bori...@screen.it To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS over fiber GPS over fiber is GPS RF signal over fiber or the PPS over fiber or something else? On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: I may have the opportunity

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises oneBay

2012-09-11 Thread Tom Knox
FedEx is great compared to UPS in Boulder. UPS boxes are usually crushed and beat up, FedEx the boxes are almost always pristine. Thomas Knox Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:02:15 -0500 From: n...@verizon.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
I think any Time Nut worth his salt should own a tourbillon watch, or several. Some would consider these a bargain compared to a new Hydrogen Maser. If a tourbillon does fit your budget Citizen makes many great watches. After breaking my third $100 watch in a year I purchased a Analog Citizen

Re: [time-nuts] Re; New Wrist watch

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
Everyone know the Tardis uses the UEC (Universal Expansion Constant). Tardis time is based on the instant of the Big Bang. To determine current time simply measure the distance between the leading edge of expansion on opposite sides of the universe and divide by 93,000 to have UEC in seconds.

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1000B oscillator for sale

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Corby; What is the freq? Thaks; Thomas Knox To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:22:56 -0700 From: cdel...@juno.com Subject: [time-nuts] FTS 1000B oscillator for sale Hi, I put an FTS 1000B oscillator on sale at eBay see item # 320980495168 if you are interested. I

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
I had someone ship me a calibrator several years ago and he assured me he was a great packer and had a box that fit it perfectly. He was right the box fit perfectly, no padding required. Is the unit repairable? What parts are required? Good Luck Thomas Knox Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:16:55

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: I had someone ship me a calibrator several years ago and he assured me he was a great packer and had a box that fit it perfectly. He was right the box fit perfectly, no padding required. Is the unit repairable? What parts are required? Good Luck

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprises on eBay,

2012-09-10 Thread Tom Knox
ebay. Hang in there and be patient, let the system work for you. Peter Sep 10, 2012 07:12:38 PM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote: On 10 September 2012 23:55, Tom Knox wrote: Hi Dave; Hi Tom, I would also recommend opening a Not As Described through eBay

Re: [time-nuts] REF osc distribution.

2012-09-05 Thread Tom Knox
I have seen that many commercial ref distribution amps are not as good as a quality low phase noise 5 or 10MHz oscillator, considering the time and resources that went into their design I think it would be difficult to design a amp capable of distributing something much cleaner then a LPRO.

Re: [time-nuts] REF osc distribution.

2012-09-05 Thread Tom Knox
term and close in phase noise. If you have a wide band floor at -185 dbc/Hz on your OCXO they aren't quite up to that level. Bob On Sep 5, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: I have seen that many commercial ref distribution amps are not as good as a quality low

[time-nuts] Datum/FTS 1000B and 1130 oscillator

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Knox
Hi; Has anyone compared the 1130 and 1000B. Are they plug and play interchangeable as far as VC. I have a few data sheets that spec each differently. It looks like the 1000B has better Close in Phase Noise and the 1130 has better long term stab. Thanks; Thomas Knox

Re: [time-nuts] Differences between the Datum/FTS 1000B and 1130 oscillator?

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Knox
Hi; I am thinking of upgrading from a 1130 to a 1000B as a disciplined clean up oscillator. As I look into this it appears the 1130 has an electronic tuning range of 2-8vdc for +/-2E8. I cannot fine exact details on the 1000B, there appears to be a opt 505 with a 0-10vdc range 506 with a +/-

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTGm-II-XO Slow Acquisition

2012-08-27 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Jerry ; I assume you mean RFTGm-II-XO. The cell sites usually had an Andrew 26dB antenna with a real short coax run. They also had a 40dB antenna option if needed. Unless you have a long coax run the Symmetricom ant should be ideal. I don't think the RFTGm-II-XO lock as quickly the

Re: [time-nuts] re ET-6000 firmware

2012-08-26 Thread Tom Knox
Hi; I may have a LPRO unit, if so I will post pictures. Best Wishes; Thomas Knox Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:08:03 -0500 From: roc...@watzlavick.com To: jleik...@leikhim.com; time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] re ET-6000 firmware The manual I have isn't too clear on the

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Ed; I may not have had enough coffee yet, but if Volt X Amps = Watts why would there be a difference? Best Wishes; Thomas Knox Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:35:51 -0600 From: ed_pal...@sasktel.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port It's

[time-nuts] Thanks: Watts vs VA

2012-08-19 Thread Tom Knox
: albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:16:08 -0700 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Ed; I may not have had enough coffee yet, but if Volt X Amps

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPS and RB pair

2012-08-19 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Paul; Has anyone played with these Lucent units much to see if LH could be tweaked to work? Thanks; Thomas Knox Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:44:38 -0400 From: paulsw...@gmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPS and RB pair Boy do I agree with Bobs comment.

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