Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-09 Thread cfo
On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:58:00 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: You can get no-fan style power for Mini-ITX size systems. The ones I'm familiar with have a tiny DC-DC converter that mounts on the big power connector and runs off a laptop size external supply. http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC I use

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread David J Taylor
From: Didier Juges Is the new RPi2 any different in that regard? The RPi 2 has the same basic configuration (Ethernet over USB), but has a 4-core CPU and 1 GB memory, making it very usable as a stand-alone PC. NTP compiles within a reasonable time - about the same as

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread Hal Murray
att...@kinali.ch said: The biggest problem would be to get the data into ntp in the right way, as I am not sure whether ntp supports that kind of input. If anybody ever needs help with ntp, feel free to poke me off list. There are 2 ways to get data into ntp. You can implement the kernel

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread David J Taylor
Problematic if you are after microsecond-level accuracy, perhaps, but so would the BeagleBone be. If your needs are more in the 100 microsecond range, either would be fine with a reasonably wide PPS pulse. Not really. If you know how to write C, you can use the timer on the BBB and get to

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: Now you need to sort out the B, the A+ and the B+ in the Raspberry world. There may be more that I have not yet noticed. As far as I can tell, they all are pretty limited once you get past the tight video integration on the B and B+. There is also the 2B with 1 GB and a

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread cfo
On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 22:29:23 +, Frank Hughes via time-nuts wrote: Hi,Years ago this forum helped me put together my first GPSDO and NTP server. Using a then-popular INTEL ATOM board, FreeBSD w/ the NTP kernel, 1PPS input from aTB, works great. But as the years go by, HW improves/evolves

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:09:28 + (UTC) cfo xne...@luna.dyndns.dk wrote: What about the Odroid C1 ? http://tinyurl.com/qd7m4cz I recommend against using an Odroid. What I have heard from friends is that you do not get any support from the manufacturer in any way. Which means you have to build

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-08 Thread Philip Gladstone
On 4/8/15 17:13, Attila Kinali wrote: The Cubie borads and the stuff done by Olimex would be also quite good. Especially Olimex is known for their very good user support, as they specifically sell to tinkerers and engineering companies. This also includes that their boards have almost all I/O

[time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server v2

2015-04-08 Thread Frank Hughes via time-nuts
WOW, thanks for all the info!!!I will use those cool DC-DC power converters on lots of project motherboards, now that I know they exist.Very interested in the embedded systems options, many more to select from than I had suspected, thanks. I do not crave super precision for this NTP

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Chris Albertson
The ball bearing fan upgrade is the best idea. Bater idea is to put in a temperature controlled fan so it will spin slow or stop most of the time. I don't see the need to run each server on it's own hardware. Put the cashing DNS server on the same box as the NTP server. Or if you do have two

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Daniel Mendes
I think beagle bone black is the answer to this question (because rPi has a USB-network interface that´s problematic) but i´ll let others that know more than me about this specific subject follow on Daniel On 06/04/2015 19:29, Frank Hughes via time-nuts wrote: Hi,Years ago this forum

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Frank Hughes via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Looking for a platform not needing a fan. While the ATOM and SSD seem to be OK w/o direct airflow, the Mini ITX Power Supply fan is needed. After three years, the stupid sleeve bearings are beginning to

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:29:23 + (UTC) Frank Hughes via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Looking for a platform not needing a fan. While the ATOM and SSD seem to be OK w/o direct airflow, the Mini ITX Power Supply fan is needed. That depends highly on how much knowledge in linux and

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: In terms of performance, ARM based credit card sized computers do well if you can get the PPS to the general purpose I/O pin that interrupts on an edge. the Pi can't do that the BeagleBone Black can and it sell for $45. What/why can't the Pi do? I have one

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Daniel Mendes
Internally the rPI is a ver awkward beast: the CPU is connected to a GPU, and the GPU is connected to the GPIOs... so lots of jitter and latency. It was designed to be a video decoder... the CPU is there for testing and housekeeping. It works, surelly, but it´s not designed to have low

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Paul
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Frank Hughes via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Or just put a ball-bearing fan in Sites like lilliputing follow the low power/embedded market. I'd suggest starting there. All of my low power systems use power bricks. This includes mini-itx boards. I've

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread David J Taylor
I think beagle bone black is the answer to this question (because rPi has a USB-network interface that´s problematic) but i´ll let others that know more than me about this specific subject follow on Daniel == Problematic if you are after

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:39:01 +0100 David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Problematic if you are after microsecond-level accuracy, perhaps, but so would the BeagleBone be. If your needs are more in the 100 microsecond range, either would be fine with a reasonably wide PPS pulse.

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Hal Murray
Looking for a platform not needing a fan. While the ATOM and SSD seem to be OK w/o direct airflow, the Mini ITX Power Supply fan is needed. If you are happy with Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone Black, they are the low cost low power way to go. They run Linux. They don't have a real disk. If

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hi! Take a look at https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-December/089217.html and https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-December/089681.html. There you can see sub-microsecond accuracy. Edésio On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:52:57PM +0200, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2015

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Didier Juges
Is the new RPi2 any different in that regard? On April 7, 2015 8:17:12 AM CDT, Daniel Mendes dmend...@gmail.com wrote: Internally the rPI is a ver awkward beast: the CPU is connected to a GPU, and the GPU is connected to the GPIOs... so lots of jitter and latency. It was designed to be a video

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Now you need to sort out the B, the A+ and the B+ in the Raspberry world. There may be more that I have not yet noticed. As far as I can tell, they all are pretty limited once you get past the tight video integration on the B and B+. Bob On Apr 7, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Didier Juges

Re: [time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-07 Thread Daniel Mendes
On 07/04/2015 17:58, Hal Murray wrote: If you are happy with Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone Black, they are the low cost low power way to go. They run Linux. They don't have a real disk. If you do a lot of disk activity, you might wear out the SD card frequently enough to be annoying. That

[time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-06 Thread Frank Hughes via time-nuts
Hi,Years ago this forum helped me put together my first GPSDO and NTP server.  Using a then-popular INTEL ATOM board, FreeBSD w/ the NTP kernel, 1PPS input from aTB, works great. But as the years go by, HW improves/evolves and it might be time to recreate this functionin some other modern HW.