Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-20 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Its actually Tau with a subscript 0. This is the the time interval between successive measurements. e.g. if a measurement is taken every second then Tau0 is 1 sec. Bruce Edgardo Molina wrote: Dear John Ackermann, I find your reply to my request to be very interesting. Without fear of asking.

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Edgardo -- Sorry, I should have explained. Tau0 is shorthand for the base tau -- the actual interval between each measurement. You can measure longer tau by simply using every nth measurement. So tau0 = 1 second simply means you're taking a reading once per second. John On Nov 20,

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-19 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear John Miles, John Ackermann, Adrian, Tom and Bob, Thank you all for your wisdom on this topic. I have enjoyed the weekend getting graphs from my frequency standards taking care of your advise and comments. I will soon be able to post them to my newborn web page. Details coming soon.

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-19 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear John Ackermann, I find your reply to my request to be very interesting. Without fear of asking. May I know how do I achieve a Tau 0 measurement in a 1 second interval with my setup? (HP-53132A + TimeLab). Please tell me if I am wrong. I assume I would take the 10 MHz output from the

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Adrian, On 15/11/12 03:59, Adrian wrote: Hi Edgardo, however, the 53132A is considerably more sensitive in frequency mode as we have recently discovered. I saw an astoundingly low ADEV noise floor of some 6E-13 at t=10 sec as opposed to only 2.5E-11 in TI mode. I don't have a 53132A, only a

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-18 Thread Adrian
Hi Magnus, when I noticed the difference between frequency and time interval mode on my 53131A, I compared some sources in both modes. There was little difference between both modes where the signal was above the TI mode noise floor. Below that t-range (that is, below the point where in TI

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Edgardo Molina Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:44 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis Dear Group, Now that I have

[time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear Group, Now that I have setup TimeLab along with the Prologix GPIB to USB adapter and the HP-53132A frecuency counter, I am starting to get some data from my frequency standards. Still I think I have a long way to go in front of me. One of the main concerns that cross my mind at this point

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread John Miles
[mailto:time-nuts- boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Edgardo Molina Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:44 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis Dear Group, Now that I have setup TimeLab along

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Edgardo, the minimum sample rate in practice is determined by the noise floor of the measurement system. I would suggest that you do a baseline test by measuring the counter reference against itself with a tau0 (sample rate) of 1 second. You'll see a best-case result and from it you can

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread Adrian
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Edgardo Molina Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:44 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis Dear Group, Now that I have setup TimeLab along with the Prologix GPIB to USB adapter

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Edgardo, however, the 53132A is considerably more sensitive in frequency mode as we have recently discovered. I saw an astoundingly low ADEV noise floor of some 6E-13 at t=10 sec as opposed to only 2.5E-11 in TI mode. I don't have a 53132A, only a 53131A that I don't use anymore for