Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bitofdata

2005-03-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: Hi John, How did you know the correct value for oven temperature? etc. Regards Hubert I didn't do the install myself, but when you buy a new tube, the appropriate values come with it. I think HP actually stamps the info onto the tube label, but it doesn't look like F

AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bitofdata

2005-03-28 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
measurement Betreff: Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bitofdata Brooke Clarke wrote: > John: > > Can you tell if just a raw tube was installed in you HP or is there a > printed circuit board on the tube? A photo might be worth 1,000 words. The retrofit kit is j

Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata

2005-03-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Brooke Clarke wrote: John: Can you tell if just a raw tube was installed in you HP or is there a printed circuit board on the tube? A photo might be worth 1,000 words. The retrofit kit is just the tube plus mounting hardware (it's physically quite a bit smaller than the HP tube). There's no addi

Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata

2005-03-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The FTS4060/S24 has a "package" that can be easily removed (a few bolts and some coax and multipin connectors). The Cesium tube and a number of other circuit parts are in this package. The Cesium tube and what FTS calls an interface board bolted to it and that's where all the wires from the

Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata

2005-03-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. März 2005 04:17 An: time-nuts Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata I did some testing today and I think that strange effect I saw was in fact a cable proble

AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata

2005-03-27 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
I'm very interested to see the instructions as well. Please help Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. März 2005 04:17 An: time-nuts Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-

AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata

2005-03-27 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit ofdata John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> I remember reading an advertisement from FTS many moons ago that said >> they >> had for sale higher quality replacement

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit of data

2005-03-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >> Yes, in fact FTS (or Symmetricom or whatever they are this week) still >> advertises their replacement tubes for the HP units. Interestingly, >> they have an 8 year warranty, so FTS must have been able to improve the >> reliability along

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit of data

2005-03-27 Thread Chuck Harris
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I remember reading an advertisement from FTS many moons ago that said they had for sale higher quality replacement tubes for 5060's, 5061's, and 5062's. Your replacement tube is most probably one of those tubes. Remember, FTS was a direct competitor

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit of data

2005-03-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Chuck Harris wrote: I remember reading an advertisement from FTS many moons ago that said they had for sale higher quality replacement tubes for 5060's, 5061's, and 5062's. Your replacement tube is most probably one of those tubes. Remember, FTS was a direct competitor for HP's line of C-Beams,

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit of data

2005-03-26 Thread Chuck Harris
I remember reading an advertisement from FTS many moons ago that said they had for sale higher quality replacement tubes for 5060's, 5061's, and 5062's. Your replacement tube is most probably one of those tubes. Remember, FTS was a direct competitor for HP's line of C-Beams, and as such they covete

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change -- and a bit of data

2005-03-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I did some testing today and I think that strange effect I saw was in fact a cable problem -- I couldn't reproduce exactly the same effect, but in gently wiggling one of the cables to the counter I was able to get some oddball readings. A couple of unrelated points -- I wasn't sure about this,

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Carl Walker
Just wanted to mention that I've been making C-field adjustments on my 5061A for the last few weeks while monitoring its performance vs. the Z3801A. I've had quite a few large ESD events after shuffling across the carpet and down the basement stairs where the discharge went directly to the C-fi

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread george
I had a similar experience about 2 weeks ago My (sirf chip set) gps lost lock. It was in the afternoon around 1-3 pm I will have to check my logs for the exact date and time. The fed's like to jam gps from time to time around sensitive gov installations the area can be quite large at high altitudes

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bill Hawkins wrote: Well, if you figure out how to introduce a 100 mS delay with a short length of cable, you should see a patent attorney. Wait a minute. Aren't you using a homebrew divider to get 1 PPS from the 5061? That's a fine way to get long lasting offsets, but I can't imagine why it curved

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
ject: Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change All -- Thanks for all the comments. It must be a slow afternoon/evening!!! You've given me several things to check out. In addition, as I was looking at the hardware in the basement I now have a suspicion that it might be a cable pro

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Doug Hogarth said, "I don't know your particular GPS, but sure looks to me like GPS lost lock (started drifting), then somehow got bad lock twice, before finally getting proper lock. So I'd study GPS antenna/cable and receiver settings. Consider adding logging of some GPS status, or at least try

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- Thanks for all the comments. It must be a slow afternoon/evening!!! You've given me several things to check out. In addition, as I was looking at the hardware in the basement I now have a suspicion that it might be a cable problem, specifically in the cable that goes from the 5061A PPS

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Just because something isn't probable doesn't mean it isn't possible. Given that the "normal" light was still on, either the light logic is faulty or the 5061 never lost lock. That leaves the GPS receiver, antenna and signal path. That it happened at about the time the adjustment was moved could be

RE: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Doug Hogarth
I don't know your particular GPS, but sure looks to me like GPS lost lock (started drifting), then somehow got bad lock twice, before finally getting proper lock. So I'd study GPS antenna/cable and receiver settings. Consider adding logging of some GPS status, or at least try to enable setting for

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Mike S wrote: At 04:58 PM 3/24/2005, John Ackermann N8UR wrote... That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver and antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like this makes me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. Were you talking

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
John Miles wrote: How's the ESD environment in the room with your 5061A? Was there a spark when your wife touched the knob (no double-entendre intended)? -- john KE5FX Har! Excellent thought, but I don't think ESD is likely, though it can't be ruled out. The floor is linoleum over concrete b

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Mike S
At 04:58 PM 3/24/2005, John Ackermann N8UR wrote... >That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver and >antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like this makes >me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. Were you talking your wife throug

AW: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
2005 22:59 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: >Hi John, > >I saw similar outliers running especially Motorola GPS receivers in the >vicinity to mobile telephones. Shie

RE: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Miles
> Hi Hubert -- > > That's a good hypothesis, but given how long this system (same receiver > and antenna) has been running without ever encountering something like > this makes me doubt it's a GPS anomaly, or at least a local one. A long > history has shown that this receiver/antenna very seldom

Re: AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: Hi John, I saw similar outliers running especially Motorola GPS receivers in the vicinity to mobile telephones. Shielding is not sufficient. What I see in your data plot is a drifting oscillator until the receiver tries to find a new satellite configuration. (sudden jump

AW: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: >If you disregard this excursion, what happened after the change. Did >frequency change as expected? Would there have been continuity of data? >Which TIC do you use? Which GPS receiver do you use? How many satellites did &

Re: AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hubert v. Bonhorst wrote: If you disregard this excursion, what happened after the change. Did frequency change as expected? Would there have been continuity of data? Which TIC do you use? Which GPS receiver do you use? How many satellites did you track? What is the minimum elevation for satellites

AW: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Hubert v. Bonhorst
stupid questions, but Hubert DB7ME -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Ackermann N8UR Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. März 2005 19:45 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: Anyway, has anyone seen anything like this, or have any idea what might have happened here? Did she leave the door open while she did the change Good question, but there's no sign of a temperature chan

Re: [time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >Anyway, has anyone seen anything like this, or have any idea what might >have happened here? Did she leave the door open while she did the change ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T

[time-nuts] Strange effect with C-Field change

2005-03-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
While I was out of town for the last week, I continued an experiment to check the C-field sensitivity of my 5061A. I measured the offset at C-field settings of 5.00, 5.50, and 4.50. The last change was made while I was out of town. My wife, Jody, made the change from 5.50 down to 4.50. She a