Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
You can't use the square wave? You could put in a resonant circuit that will select the fundamental but other issues arise, such as phase noise and harmonic content.  How much harmonic content can you tolerate? There is a host of ways to do this job but much depends on your requirements. Bob K6DD

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Darlington
For the life of me I can't find the link to the schematic or any mention of it in the archives. Google fail. However, I was able to find some screen shots and pictures from the Chebyshev filter that I built from the docs that I originally found here. This should get you started if you want to r

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi, What distortion level would you like to achieve? Regards, Vasco Soares Em 2015-07-16 18:49, skipp Isaham via time-nuts escreveu: re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like to convert it to a sine wave and I am looking for

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Darlington
Here's the URL to the document I was referring to: http://www.w1ghz.org/small_proj/10MHz_Filter_for_GPS_Reference.zip And I see in my simulation I have the inductor and cap in the center of the schematic reversed, however it was built properly. -Bob On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Bob Darlingt

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The simple approach is to buffer it with a few ‘125 buffers in parallel. Then convert to sine wave with a T-network matching section. There are a lot of matching calculators on the web. Something in the 50 to 200 ohm input range and 50 ohm output is a reasonable way to go. More gates and hig

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Graham / KE9H
All you need is a 10 MHz low pass filter. How far down do you need the harmonics/spurious to be? If 40 dB suppression of the 2nd and 3rd harmonics is adequate, (you can't see the distortion with the eye on an oscilloscope) you can make your own for about $2 in parts, not including a PC board or h

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-16 Thread Chris Albertson
How good does the sine wave need to be? The usual method is to use a low-pass filter A CLC "pi" filter works. On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: > re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion > > The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Skipp wrote: The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like to convert it to a sine wave and I am looking for suggestions A simple Tee network works well (see below). The input resistor can be chosen from 50 to around 200 ohms to suit the particular output circuit used

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread timeok
Hi Skipp, I suggest you a simple passive filter with harmonic notch as this: http://www.timeok.it/files/5_and_10mhz_low_pass_notch_filter.pdf Obviously you have to made the 10MHz version, Ciao, Luciano On Thu 16/07/15 19:49 , skipp Isaham via time-nuts wrote: > re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wav

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Jason Ball
A would have thought a simple band pass filter would do the job by tuning out the harmonics. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:49 AM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts < time-nuts@febo.com> wrote: > re: 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion > > The GPSDO I recently acquired outputs a 10 MHz square wave. I'd like

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread D W
Hi, A while back I ordered an item of equipment from a very excellent eBay seller, johnkw40. He may be a member of the list, I'm not sure. He included a schematic for a low pass filter circuit to filter a 10 MHz square wave to a sine wave. A quick analysis shows that it is a 5th order chebyshev

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
I was thinking along these lines. Cooking up a 3-pole filter in the form of a Pi-filter should be a good start, and then add traps for third and possibly fifth overtones that will not get much damping initially can be done if you need it pretty clean. Cheers, Magnus On 07/17/2015 04:07 AM, Gr

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread timeok
It is the simplest solution because you have not to tune the notch filter but you have -20dB on 2nd harmonic and -40dB for the third instead -50dB (min for both) if you made a low-pass with notch filters. Luciano On Fri 17/07/15 05:10 , D W wrote: > Hi, > > A while back I ordered an it

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you run a filter with a shunt capacitor input (as opposed to the series L proposed by Charles, the current in the driving gate goes way up. It’s driving a short at the harmonic frequencies and it does not like this. If you want more power with a simple T, just run the T. No resistor at t

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi But your 3 pole will not be as good as my 5 pole. My 5 pole will not be as good as the next poster’s 13 pole. My 5 added traps will not do as much as the next poster’s 13 traps. What *will* happen as all of these parts are added: 1) It becomes a real mess to properly lay out and align 2) Eve

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Richard Solomon
I have a Mini-Circuits BLP-10.7 that I picked up at a Flea Market that does the job. And no, I do not want to sell it !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 7/16/2015 10:47 PM, Jason Ball wrote: A would have thought a simple band pass filter would do the job by tuning out the harmonics. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 a

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you attach a filter with a shunt capacitor (capacitor to ground) at it’s input to the output of a logic gate, that gate will pull far more current than it would without a shunt capacitor being present. You can try to minimize this with a series resistor, but that’s only a partial fix. Bo

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Alex Pummer
Charles Wenzel has very simple but good working solution, here is : http://www.wenzel.com/documents/waveform.html On 7/17/2015 8:20 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: I have a Mini-Circuits BLP-10.7 that I picked up at a Flea Market that does the job. And no, I do not want to sell it !! 73, Dick,

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Michael
Before I waste time simulating too much... Does anyone have any intuition around temperature dependence of these designs? Is one 'style' significantly better than another? I'm far more concerned about phase shift of the fundamental during temperature swings than I am relative harmonic levels/ph

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, I intended nothing aiming for "perfect". My initial proposal was actually for a 1 pole low-pass and then a block at 30 MHz for third overtone, but I never put that in mail-form. Cheers, Magnus On 07/17/2015 02:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi But your 3 pole will not be as good as my 5 pole.

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The narrower the bandpass of the network, the more delay it will have. The more delay it has, the more phase shift you will have over temperature. With a “low Q” T network, the phase shift is pretty small. It is likely you will have as much shift in other parts of your system as in a Q = 1 ma

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz Square to Sine Wave Conversion

2015-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, so one more vote for a gate driving a T network. Bob > On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Alex Pummer wrote: > > > > Charles Wenzel has very simple but good working solution, here is : > http://www.wenzel.com/documents/waveform.html > > > On 7/17/2015 8:20 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: >> I