[time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question

2013-11-06 Thread Bob Stewart
I think I may need to change the LPF feeding the EFC in my GPSDO to get rid of dithering jitter.  Is there any point in adding a resistor and cap in the EFC line, or do I need to go back and change the values in the op-amp circuit feeding it?  Currently an op-amp directly feeds the EFC pin.  I

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Mark, What type of real-time surveying software are you using?  I'm looking for surveying/plotting software for Linux to keep a close on the timing stability of my Adafruit. Bob - AE6RV From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com To: time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com It is common to use an additional, external series resistor and shunt capacitor, generally 10-50k and anywhere from 0.01uF to tens or even hundreds of uF, depending on the application.  Of course, this additional pole needs to be taken into account

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Bob, I have a spare oscillator, so it's a simple deal to put a meter on it, now that I know what to look for. Bob From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, November 7,

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Mark, What I was hoping for was some canned software that will plot position on the display until told to clear it so I can get a visual.  I've tried foxtrotgps, but it clears its screen at any and every opportunity, so barring getting into the code that's not going to work.  But I can

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-09 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time If you

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question

2013-11-10 Thread Bob Stewart
From: John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net,     Discussion of precise time and     frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Trimble 34310-T EFC Question Message-ID:     CAFtYB4wY0QEFwc4G2E=f5fknp85eofxijmamvx8ir

Re: [time-nuts] linux-gpib working on a RasPI

2013-11-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Good job!  I've read other good experiences about the Beiming.  I finally wound up buying a Prologix Ethernet adapter.  Let this be a warning to anyone who is tempted to buy the 82357B clone with the gold-anodized aluminum case.  Do Not Do It! Bob From:

Re: [time-nuts] linux-gpib working on a RasPI

2013-11-11 Thread Bob Stewart
...@non-stop.com.au To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [time-nuts] linux-gpib working on a RasPI Hi Bob, what is so wrong with the Anodised version? --mark -Original

Re: [time-nuts] linux-gpib working on a RasPI

2013-11-11 Thread Bob Stewart
I've got a question for you Hal.  We can take it offline if it's more than a response or two.  I opened two sockets to the adapter in one program and found the same socket id.  OK, that tells me that I have to address each device before sending commands to it, rather than having a separate

Re: [time-nuts] Maxim DS1342

2013-11-12 Thread Bob Stewart
just a thing to solder-up on a weekend Never underestimate the attraction of something you can solder-up on a weekend.  It kept Heathkit alive for years.  But if you're trying to make money from it, the problem is finding a market and marketable ideas. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Mains frequency (Tom Van Baak)

2013-11-17 Thread Bob Stewart
John says: However I would most humbly point out that the cost of software is not zero if the time-nutter places any value on his or her time. Might I point out that the needs and goals of the hobbyist and the professional are often at odds?  The professional needs a solution.  The hobbyist

Re: [time-nuts] Man killed in quartz crystal accident

2013-11-26 Thread Bob Stewart
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Re: [time-nuts] Man killed in quartz crystal accident

2013-11-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Quartz crystals. Let's just say that it morphed from a discussion into a meta-discussion. :-) Let's just say that it's morphed from something relevant into a political argument and drop it, shall we? Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] OT : different Rx and Tx baud rate on same port

2013-12-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Here is a snippet of code from a program in C I have running on Linux.  Notice that I had to set both the input and output baud rates.  After looking around on the web, it seems to be a matter of whether the hardware will support split baud rate.  So, essentially, code it and try it.   

[time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that comes in the package? Bob - AE6RV

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. Bob From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
OK,  now it makes sense! thanks! Bob From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that

Re: [time-nuts] Local Solar Time Clock

2014-01-19 Thread Bob Stewart
There is digital astronomy specific out there that will overlay/digitally add multiple images, do filtering, enhance contrast, etc.  It's just something I've read about at this point. I haven't used it and couldn't point you to specific software. From:

[time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, Do you know of any other PIC projects that get a greater resolution?  I was thinking of doing something with a dsPIC33 running at 140MHz or greater, but I'm not sure I want to devote the time to if it's it's been done. Bob From: Tom Van Baak (lab)

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-23 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Azelio, One of the internal timers is exactly what I was thinking of.  I haven't gotten into this yet, but it looks like the dsPIC33 can accept a high quality reference clock as an input, and then use a multiplier to get it up above 100MHz.  I think 200MHz is the limit in some packages.  My

[time-nuts] Tom's Adventures of a Time Nut (Banquet Talk)

2014-01-30 Thread Bob Stewart
Today's SouthGateARC.org page has a link to Tom's talk at the 2013 TAPR/ARRL Digital Communications Conference.  I don't know whether this has been linked to time nuts in the past, but it's an enjoyable presentation.

[time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
I put a divider network in the EFC line of my GPSDO to restrict the OCXO range to 2Hz.  Now I'm seeing heat-related drift that wasn't apparent before.  I put a 20K resistor from the same strip on my 3456A, and the warmth of holding it between fingers moves it by about 50 ohms.  What type of

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Nigel, I didn't give any thought to thermal issues when I bought the resistors.  They're just standard carbon composition.  I see some metal film resistors with a temp coefficient of 5 PPM/C, so I'll get some of those and put them in. thanks, Bob

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
for the pot. http://www.evoria.net/AE6RV/GPSstd_PLL/EFC%20Divider/EFC2.png Bob From: Robert LaJeunesse rlajeune...@sbcglobal.net To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
.png Bob   From: Robert LaJeunesse rlajeune...@sbcglobal.net To: Bob  Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency  measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014  11:40 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Volker, Thanks for the ideas.  The resistors are all within a short radius of each other.  I hadn't thought about bundling them all together.  I suppose I could epoxy them together as a last resort.  I've got some EPF foam, so I could try putting that on the board right against them.  In

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
As to what the specs are on this oscillator, I couldn't say.  I have two of them.  The one in my GPSDO wants about 2.101V for 10MHz.  The other one wants about 2.6V (from memory).  So that pretty much limits my options to a divider and a summing device to bring the EFC back up for the

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, Do you think that maybe the oven current difference when the temperature changes could be at the root of this?  To me, it seems like this started when I put the divider in.  Before that, drift might have been hidden due to the lower resolution, I suppose.  In any case, Mouser has my

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Around $25.00 to reproduce the final result.  The cost goal for me to make it work is considerably more elastic.  It's a project that I'm having fun with.  There is no commercial market. From: ewkeh...@aol.com ewkeh...@aol.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Any idea what the usual temperature coefficient is for the VRef output of  the OCXO?  I looked under the Trimble label of my spare and found: DOC2127 and 44/1416.  The one I have installed is probably the same. From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Bob Stewart b

Re: [time-nuts] EFC divider resistors

2014-01-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, Actually, no-one has.  And come to think of it, maybe that's the root of the problem.  I have the resistors lying on their sides right under the OCXO on the opposite side (bottom) of the PC board.  Any air circulation is going to make them weave and wobble a bit in value.  I'll have to

Re: [time-nuts] How to open solder-sealed OCXOs?

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Stewart
You can also take the tip out of a soldering gun and apply the gun's two posts directly to the can for resistance heating.  I've used that method a time or two on large items.  You need to push firmly to get good contact.  The voltage is very low. Bob

[time-nuts] Sample R script for ADEV under Linux wanted

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject says it all.  Does anyone have a script I could use as a starting point to calculate/plot the ADEV for my GPSDO?  Bob - AE6RV ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Sample R script for ADEV under Linux wanted

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Stewart
something about an ADEV and how it applies to my GPSDO. Bob From: Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:24 PM

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts] EFC divider resistors progress

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Hendrik, My house is on a slab of concrete, so about 8 hours ago, I moved it from the top of the HP stack to the floor.  The net phase error for the past 7 hours is about 180 degrees with no change to the DAC value.  So, I think it's found a stable home.  I'll put the low temp coeff

Re: [time-nuts] Sample R script for ADEV under Linux wanted

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Stewart
That code, like most ADEV calculations, assumes you have phase data... In my case, the phase data wraps at each DAC change.  Do I need to unwrap it, or change it to delta values?  I haven't read enough about ADEV to get a feel of what I want, or what this group means when someone say ADEV of

[time-nuts] ADEV computed, now what?

2014-02-04 Thread Bob Stewart
I think I have the unwrapping and scaling sorted out, so here's the result for 1PPS vs 10MHz for my GPSDO, as measured by a 5334B clocked by the same 10MHz.    I don't know how to read these, but 6,3,1,6,3,1 etc. doesn't look normal.  I wonder if that merely reflects the consumer grade GPS

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV computed, now what?

2014-02-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I've had a night to digest what I'm seeing, and this is what I've come up with: There were only 2 updates to the DAC during the 24 hours tested.  So, long term doesn't system drift dominate?  That would include thermal drift and the stability of the OCXO.  Also, there was a phase

[time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Stewart
I'm getting a little more familiar with ADEV and OADEV now.  With a little help from Tom, I've put together gnuplot scripts and his software to get a decent plot.  But, as some time-nuts have pointed out, my measurements are of one part of my system being compared to another.  Would I learn

Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Stewart
method I mentioned. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV? I'm getting a little more familiar with ADEV

Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks for the correction.  Averaging Time, τ, tau it is. Bob From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source

Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Stewart
I think I see the problem.  I was wondering about using the 1PPS output from my Rb in a test.  Cobbling all that together would be a quick bit of work for you, but I spent my life in IT.  I'm good with a soldering iron, but I readily admit my shortcomings at hardware tinkering. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-09 Thread Bob Stewart
is going to be key to all of them. Bob - AE6RV From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 10

[time-nuts] Fw: Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-09 Thread Bob Stewart
and relays packets to the clients.  Prologix hadn't written one when they commented here last summer. Bob From: Orin Eman orin.e...@gmail.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Could this be a case of the Rb settling on the bottom of the bulb and then being vaporized when the bottom became the top? Bob From: Jamieson (Jim) Rowe jimr...@optusnet.com.au To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] How I got my FE-5680A to lock in Sydney, Australia

2014-02-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Jim, I posted that mainly because there have been past threads about reviving Rb standards by heating the bulb, not because I have any evidence that that's the problem. Bob - AE6RV From: Jamieson (Jim) Rowe jimr...@optusnet.com.au To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS W/10KHz

2014-02-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I was waiting for someone else to mention this.  The problem with the sawtooth from a UT+ and similar is that it can go long periods with the phase on one side of zero, switch to going back and forth across zero, and then even start at one side, and do a sawtooth shaped stairstep ramp to the

[time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom tried to steer me to the PICTIC recently, and I sort of brushed him off, because, quite frankly I didn't understand.  Now that I've really looked at it, it's a much better idea than using a dsPIC33 and brute-forcing it.  But, I don't really need everything the PICTIC offers so I started

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Lars, I'm lucky in that I'm starting with a PIC running internally at 40MHz.  So I think timing is not going to be a real problem.  But after getting a response from Richard, I'm concerned about flaws in the spice chip models.  I'm also a bit concerned about breadboarding, but come to think

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-15 Thread Bob Stewart
. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] TIC model Hi Lars, I'm lucky in that I'm starting with a PIC running internally

Re: [time-nuts] GPS accuracy specs

2014-02-16 Thread Bob Stewart
The smart guys have already contributed to this thread.  What I have is an example taken when I was doing some testing.  The plot at the top is the DAC on my GDPSO.  It is moving the oscillator back and forth about 4.6E-4 Hz.  Not a lot.  The bottom plot is the interesting one, as it is the

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bruce, What are the tradeoffs with using different values for R1?  I have no practical experience at this, so all I can do is rely on the models.  Does the fact that R2 is in the PIC, and C1 is so tiny, make the value of R1 of less importance?  On my PIC, they list C1 as 5pf, R2 as

Re: [time-nuts] TIC model

2014-02-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Now you've lost me.  What 2.5 MHz synchronizer clock?  Everything I have external to the PIC is 10MHz.  The PIC is running HSPLL at 40MHz, though I don't think that makes any difference to this. Bob From: Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz To: Bob

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Surround your house with a complete loop of #6 wire with 8-10 ft long ground rods every 10-12 ft (but no less than 6ft), bonded (clamped) to the ground at the service entrance. That's the simple answer.  The somewhat longer answer is in a recent copy of the ARRL Handbook.  Some will argue for

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Dave, Speaking only for myself, most of the fun is in the reinventing of the wheel.  I have no real use for a frequency standard, but designing and building my GPSDO has been very rewarding.  Eventually I hope to be able to share it with someone besides Dan, who has been a big help on the

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
For Linux, I worked this up and posted to linuxquestions.org.  I don't guarantee it, but it's been working for the PL-2303 devices for me.  It just creates a link to the real driver.  There are probably better ways to do it. File: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-usb.rulesACTION==add,

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi, I suggest that you use a DVM to see which ports are getting power.  Better yet would be to disconnect everything and use an ohm-meter to see which ports are electrically connected.  If you can't satisfy yourself that you know what's what, then contact GPS Source.  They are very good people

[time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
I've just won a Symmetricom / Datum PRS45A PRS45-0001K - Single Cesium PRS-45 DS1 on ebay from a guy in the Netherlands.  It's listed as used in good working condition, so ebay should protect me if it's not.  Hopefully he has the training to get it to me. It seems to also be known as a

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
that it uses redundant external power sources.  I take that to mean that I can safely supply only one side and be fine? Bob From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard Hi Bob, On 12/01/2014 05:54 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: I've just won a Symmetricom / Datum PRS45A PRS45-0001K - Single Cesium PRS-45 DS1 on ebay from a guy in the Netherlands.  It's listed as used in good working condition, so ebay should protect me

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Graham, There was a post, I think by Anthony, that discussed the USB adaptors.  But your pinout looks different than the adapter I got.  You have pin 1 listed as TX (-) whereas on mine pin 1 is TX (+).  Likewise, you list pin 2 as TX(+) where mine is TX (-).  In any case, here is the wiring

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Look at Bob Camp's post.  Yahoo mail made a hash out of my formatting. Bob From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Magnus, It came in today.  Looks good from the outside.  No obviously bad smells, but I can't power it up, as my PSU hasn't come in yet.  There is a paper Datum tag dated 6/2/03 on the outside.  Looking through the vent holes, I can see a Datum Cesium Beam Tube assembly Model Number

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
PM, Bob Stewart wrote: Hi Magnus, It came in today.  Looks good from the outside.  No obviously bad smells, but I can't power it up, as my PSU hasn't come in yet. There is a paper Datum tag dated 6/2/03 on the outside.  Looking through the vent holes, I can see a Datum Cesium Beam Tube

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, It's pretty much clean.  There is a Datum is now Symmetricom decal, as well as a Symmetricom decal.  There is a round paper sticker that says Datum TTM with a date and probably someone's initials.  And what looks like a small paper sticker on the back that was removed.  There was also a

Re: [time-nuts] Z38XX Ulrichs program question How do you restart the graphs.

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Paul, This puzzled me, too.  Finally, I just deleted the txt file.  Looking at, it, it looks like maybe it's a weekly file.  For example: Z38XXData2014CW50.Txt, seems to mean week 50.  At least that's my guess, since there's also a file Z38XXData2014CW49.Txt that was last modified Sun 07 Dec

[time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Well, it's alive, and I even have 10MHz coming from it.  It took about 16 minutes to go to lock.  Is that good, or doesn't matter?  Now I've got to put together a serial cable and see if I can talk to it and find out how it thinks it's doing.  But, this is good!

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
a latching relay in the power stream to keep it off if I lose power?  The budget is now officially busted, and a UPS is not going to happen for awhile.  Santa's sleigh is now officially out of gas. Bob From: Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I can't speak for Dan, but since he hasn't responded, I can speak a bit about the issue.  As you know, my GPSDO uses a constant voltage TIC and the PWM output from a dsPIC33 to perform the DAC function.  During testing we've found that one critical point is that the PWM voltage from the

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bert, Thanks for the comments.  I did learn today that this was a recent pull, so that explains why it came up well.  I hope you'll understand my reluctance to start making adapters and doing direct measurements on the thing.  One of my next steps is to get it to talk to me.  Unfortunately,

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
good idea and prudent.  Besides while it is reacquiring lock you would probably be busy resetting VCR's and so forth. BillWB6BNQ Bob Stewart wrote:   Hi Pete, I don't have any way of knowing.  I've asked the seller if he has a copy of the control software, and I don't like to go back

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Paul.  It does seem too good to be true, and it certainly came at the right time in my GPSDO development effort. Bob From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:04 AM Subject:

[time-nuts] PRS-45A

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject changed, as I inadvertently stole Dan's thread. Hi Bob Camp, You wrote: Looks perfectly normal to me. Your Cs is sensitive to magnetic field. Have you “zeroed” it out? No of course not, nobody does. (almost nobody …). What does it mean to zero out the magnetic field for a Cs?  Sounds

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
noise. Bob From: ed breya e...@telight.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints... I'd recommend going with what Bob Stewart mentioned, using separate gates as buffers, operated from a better-grade

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
to worry? Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A Hi Somewhere in / on the beast there should be a magnetic field

[time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I've been uncomfortable with this KS since I got it; even having to return the REF-0 unit for comms problems.  Now that I have the PRS45A, I think I've proved that the KS does have a problem.  Has anyone else had something like this plot shows?  Any idea what's causing it?  I'm not seeing

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, These hiccoughs match the ones I was getting comparing the KS to my homegrown GSPDO, so I don't think there's any chance it's the PRS45A.  I was wondering if it might be the antenna.  My homegrown unit uses the same antenna via a GPS Source MS-14 splitter, but the LEA-6T in my

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
input on Channel A and the following input on Channel B.  I don't think it would change anything to arm from the KS. Bob From: Adrian rfn...@arcor.de To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Charles, I have what I have.  No, I do not have a 360 degree view of the sky, and that's not likely to change for some time.  I have the southerly 180 degrees from about 20 degrees elevation and up.  I bought this KS as an example reference for my homegrown.  It may be that it's just not up to

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
The issue for me is that if it couldn't get a good timing solution, why did if fail quietly?  I would expect it to at least go into holdover and turn on an alarm or something.  It was giving me fits at least 4 times a day, so I should have some idea whether using a different port on the

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
the attic antenna as a test. Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] KS problem Hi Have you dumped the log file

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Well, it just headed south again.  I don't see anything on the status screen, captured below, but that may just be me.  I also captured the normal PPS TI EFC screen.  (Both from Z38XX.exe)  The EFC screen just looks ugly to me.  You can see where it went south over on the right with the sudden

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Sorry about that.  Hopefully this separates the two links.  I'm going to have to ask John what's causing this. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Screen.png break http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Status.png From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
it another test when that happens.  Right now I've got a new board to design with improvements Dan and I have made on the prototype. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions.  I'll let it alone for awhile. Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints... -- WHY?

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I hope you don't mind if I throw my two cents in, as this began as a question about my GPSDO project.  We had a thermal drift problem that Dan traced to the PWM to EFC interface and resolved.  The question to the list was whether there was a regulator package that had a built-in

[time-nuts] Wenzel Squarer circuits

2014-12-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Charles Steinmetz posted a link to Wenzel Squaring circuits in Li Ang's thread, and I'm particularly interested in the line receiver method.  On the wenzel.com page the line receiver was an SN55182.  In Bert Zauhar's GPS Standard, he used an LTC-1485 for the OCXO input.  Is there something in

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Does your oscillator have a VRef output?  If so, use that instead of a regulator.  It's cleaner and usually temperature compensated. Bob From: ct1dmk ct1...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:40 PM

Re: [time-nuts] TimeSource 2700

2015-02-13 Thread Bob Stewart
John, If that's a TimeCesium device, then the Monitor3.exe program from Symmetricom should work.  I have a copy on my domain at www.evoria.net/PRS45A/Monitor3.zip Bob - AE6RV From: John Fullington f...@fullnet.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:14 PM

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-07 Thread Bob Stewart
On 1/7/2015 1:09 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: Does your oscillator have a VRef output?  If so, use that instead of a regulator.  It's cleaner and usually temperature compensated. Bob         From: ct1dmkct1...@gmail.com   To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 / Z3810A : problem with Z3812A/REF 0 unit power up?

2015-01-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Stan, Is there a green LED lit on the board near the power block, or are both red and green very dim or not on at all?  I have a unit with the same symptoms as yours.  Both output voltages are extremely low from the power block.  Unless the green LED is lit or flashing, I'd send it back. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] serial parsing program

2015-03-24 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Cash, Have you looked at the sourcecode for the gpsd package?  packet.c would probably be your starting point.  The gpsd package parses pretty much every gps receiver.  I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, or if you specifically want something high-level.  Bob From: Cash

Re: [time-nuts] Some observations of the BG7T BL GPSDO

2015-03-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi John, Doesn't that have a NEO-6M in it rather than a timing receiver? Bob From: John Miles j...@miles.io To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Some observations of the BG7T BL

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-14 Thread Bob Stewart
OK, that explains your comment.  This is most likely a silicone based potting compound.  It's a bit softer than an eraser when cold.  Very little of it was actually stuck to the board or components.  If it had been a hard, epoxy-based covering, I wouldn't have bothered with it. Bob

[time-nuts] Some UT+ receivers available

2015-04-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Art Sepin of Synergy Sys gifted me with a big pile of timing related junk for Christmas, and out of the pile, I have around 20 UT+ receivers that seem to work properly.  So, I'd like to offer them to time-nuts who are in need of one.  Most have the right angle MCX antenna connector, but some of

[time-nuts] UT+ receivers are all spoken for

2015-04-29 Thread Bob Stewart
My internet has been down all day, and now that it's back up, I see a bunch of requests for receivers.  They're all spoken for now, and in fact maybe a bit over-subscribed.  I'll contact each of you individually who responded offline. Bob ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] TimeLab and Wine: was Re: New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
@febo.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A Bob Stewart wrote: ... And kudos to John for Timelab.  It doesn't play well with Wine in Linux, but that's not terribly surprising, all things considered. Really?  How so? Wine tends to be a bit more pedantic

Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
-nuts] New 5370A Hi Bob, On 05/14/2015 05:11 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: I got a new 5370A, so of course I've been running a bunch of tests on it.  In the image linked below, the start channel is my PRS-45A, the stop channel is my GPSDOe (e is for engine) and the ARM channel is fed by the PPS from

Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
34310-T and see what happens when using that as the reference. Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A Hi One

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