Michael Sylvester wrote:
-Go ahead and try to randomly select subjects in Tibet for
Experimental and Control groups.
Why not?
The Tibetans I know (and, as a Tibetan Buddhist who has been to Tibet and
Nepal [where the Dalai Lama presides in exile] a couple
TIPSters -
I enjoyed all of the responses to Sylvester's latest, but I don't
yet see the point that I think is the most important. He wrote:
From the info from that PsyInc search,it seems like researchers
think that they can go to other countries and just transfer
their tools and
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Paul Smith wrote:
Sylvester repeats what by now seems to be his fundamental confusion:
contrary to his belief, the fact that you cannot simply transfer the
_conclusions_ [true] does NOT imply that you cannot transfer the tools
[scientific methodologies]. Major
Hi
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Paul Smith wrote:
I enjoyed all of the responses to Sylvester's latest, but I don't
yet see the point that I think is the most important. He wrote:
From the info from that PsyInc search,it seems like researchers
think that they can go to other countries and
Michael Sylvester wrote:
-Go ahead and try to randomly select subjects in Tibet for
Experimental and Control groups.
-Informed consent,huh. They may think that you are working
for the Chilean secret police or the CIA.
- And how about the problem of translation-
Dear Tipsters,
We have had a number of informative responses to the question
concerning culture/bystander/FAE, particularly the detailed one
from Paul Smith.
May I humbly suggest that if people have a question about an issue,
they do their own homework then inform us in the context of
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Beth Benoit wrote:
Interesting statement, Michael. Do you have any research to back up your
final sentence? If so, this is an important piece of information to include
when covering fundamental attribution error. But if it's opinion, I can't
make that statement to a
At 10:47 PM -0400 4/23/01, Ann Calhoun-Sauls wrote:
Actually, this question was prompted by a student who had the same only in
selfish, self-centered America reaction to my discussion of the topic.
This assumes, of course, that there is one monolythic 'Amurican' culture.
Out here in (semi)rural
Community College
Florida
-Original Message-
From: Stuart Mckelvie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Paul Smith
Subject: RE: bystander effect and cross-cultural research
Dear Tipsters,
We have had a number of informative responses
I must say that I am not too impressed with attempts by some tipsters
to find Eurocentric conceptual equivalences in other cultures.
Concepts like intelligence,attribution ,empathy and so on do
not carry the same meaning in other cultures.
The Eurocentric penchant for emphasizing experimental
Michael says:
It is my observation re the FAE that international students
are more likely to blame themselves for both academic successes and
failures,whereas U.S students take credit for successes and have a
tendency to blame environmental factors for their failures.
-probably an offshoot of
Title: RE: bystander effect and cross-cultural research
At the risk of fanning a flame, just a little, I feel I should respond to the following point made by Michael Sylvester, since it was in response to a comment I made:
As to attack on opinions,let me say this about that.Some opinions
may
So it sounds like you are suggesting that if your observations contradict
research findings we should trust your observations. So, in order to
evaluate your claim, I would like to know:
1. How do you operationalize the FAE in your observations?
2. How do you establish the reliability and
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Beth Benoit wrote:
At the risk of fanning a flame, just a little, I feel I should respond to
the following point made by Michael Sylvester, since it was in response to a
comment I made:
As to attack on opinions,let me say this about that.Some opinions
may be based
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Stephen W Tuholski wrote:
Well done Marty!
I am constantly tired by students who attempt to refute my lectures by
their own observations. I ask them virtually the same questions you just
posed... what about confirmation bias? Is it possible that we are only
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Martin J. Bourgeois wrote:
Michael says:
It is my observation re the FAE that international students
are more likely to blame themselves for both academic successes and
failures,whereas U.S students take credit for successes and have a
tendency to blame environmental
In a message dated 4/24/2001 11:38:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is more real a confirmation bias or a scientific hypothesis?
Here is a question that asks us to compare apples to SUVs.
We see the real and very detrimental effects of our students' confirmation
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I get the feeling, Michael that you are telling your students that
whatever they believe and they see and hear is just OK and must be the truth.
So I don't know why I am even bothering to respond.
Nancy Melucci
ELAC
In the
At 2:36 PM -0400 4/24/01, Michael Sylvester wrote:
What is more real a confirmation bias or a scientific hypothesis?
Apples are definitely more real than oranges!
* PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
* Psychology Dept Minnesota State University, Mankato *
* 23 Armstrong
At 2:23 PM -0400 4/24/01, Michael Sylvester wrote:
Observations (not one observation) is another form of research
methodology.Not all topics are researchable.One ought to distinguish
opinion from observations.
Well (if not grammatically) said.
Unfortunately, all forms of research methodology
What is more real a confirmation bias or a scientific hypothesis?
Michael Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
Perhaps it is my clouded Eurocentric thinking, but I have no idea what this
question is asking...
Confirmation bias is most certainly real. That is, the phenomena exists,
and is
Michael Sylvester wrote:
Observations (not one observation) is another form of research
methodology. Not all topics are researchable. One ought to distinguish
opinion from observations.
Only if the observations are made scientifically.
Because of the nature of my
Michael Sylvester wrote:
In the classroom,I teach strictly scientific psychology
and I even warn them not to commit the confirmation bias.
Why do tipsters think that my writings on TIPS is a reflection
of my teaching style?
Perhaps because the list exists primarily
Michael Sylvester wrote:
But if these observations can be agreed upon by others then there
is a consensus.
True.
On the other hand, since we know (from shudder research) that there is
a consensus among the majority of US Citizens that the US system of
government is
Do any of you have any information on bystander effect research conducted
outside of the U.S.? I've checked two Social Psychology texts that have a
cultural emphasis (Smith Bond and Moghaddam) and two cultural psychology
texts (Cole and Triandis) without any luck.
Or - do any of you know of
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Ann Calhoun-Sauls wrote:
Do any of you have any information on bystander effect research conducted
outside of the U.S.? I've checked two Social Psychology texts that have a
cultural emphasis (Smith Bond and Moghaddam) and two cultural psychology
texts (Cole and
Hampshire
From: Michael Sylvester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: TIPS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bystander effect and cross-cultural research
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Ann Calhoun-Sauls wrote:
Do any of you have any information on bystander effect
I think it would an exaggeration to say that the fundamental attribution error
does not exist in other countries. That has not been that much non-western
research on the FAE. Based on my recollection of the research there was indeed
less emphasis on dispositional attributions compared with
in collectivist cultures, this does not mean that the FAE is not observed.
Marty Bourgeois
University of Wyoming
-Original Message-
From: Beth Benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:49 PM
To: TIPS
Subject: Re: bystander effect and cross-cultural research
Interesting
A superquick search of my files didn't turn up any cross-cultural studies on
the bystander effect (although there are some comparing different regions of
the US), but an example from England comes to mind. A few years ago
(1994?) a child, Jamie Bolger (sp?) was taken from a shopping area in
I looked up Bystander Effect as a keyword in PsycInfo, and found the
following:
Lam, Sanpui; Jone, Kuenyung.
Title: Effects of knowledge of bystander effect, presence of bystanders, and
witness's gender on crime reporting behavior. [Chinese].
Chinese Journal of Psychology.
Thanks for looking up the abstracts, Paul. It makes for fascinating reading. My
conclusion from reading these abstract is that it can be nearly meaningless to
study culture as an independent variable if you do not carefully test
theoretically based hypotheses and measure the supposed underlying
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From: Michael Sylvester
To: TIPS
Sent: 4/23/01 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: bystander effect and cross-cultural research
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Ann Calhoun-Sauls wrote:
Do any of you have any information on bystander effect research
conducted
outside of the U.S.? I've checked two Social
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