RE: Re:[tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
If you want to bend the assumptions of statistics to this degree (and I'm not saying it is wrong, because there is plenty of evidence to support the robustness of t-test and ANOVA to all kinds of violations of assumptions, though I'm not sure about this particular choice, I'd want validating stu

Re: [tips] Professor says students can't identify continents on map - Nfld. & Labrador - CBC News

2013-01-17 Thread Christopher Green
Point taken, Paul. But you don't have to want to stand in the front of the room in order for it to be important to know a few basic things. Especially if you're going to be asked to vote on questions like: Should we go to war in Asia (again)? Should we give aid to Africa? Should we have free tra

[tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Palij
Some new medical research shows that for people with gastrointestinal illness arising from the use of antibiotics appear to do much better after a "fecal transplant". I kid you not. The NY Times has an article that provides a popular media account of the research and can be accessed here: http:/

Re: [tips] Professor says students can't identify continents on map - Nfld. & Labrador - CBC News

2013-01-17 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
I am in full agreement on that… sadly, we have a (US) culture that invalidates intellectual curiosity in favor of sensationalism and truthiness. Paul On Jan 17, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Christopher Green wrote: Point taken, Paul. But you don't have to want to stand in the front of the room in o

Re: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread michael sylvester
When I was an undergrad at Gannon U in Erie,Pa,my Psych prof,John J. Fleming,used to surprise the class by writing sh t on the board as an example of "perceptual defense". I also noted that in an intro text,Robert Ornstein,states that the hypothalamus controls the 4 Fs; feeding fighting fleein

[tips] What think ye of Sanjay Gupta?

2013-01-17 Thread michael sylvester
Didn't he support facilitation? michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=23110 or send a blank email to leave-23110-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...

Re: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Beth Benoit
Mike, I know it's pretty hard to resist the temptation to make scatological jokes about this, but believe me, people with severe Crohn's and ulcerative colitis who are undergoing this treatment get very tired of it. Also, you misread the cause of the illness: it's not always a result of taking ant

[tips] Is Beth being easy on Mike P?

2013-01-17 Thread michael sylvester
A couple o of years ago I posted about my preference for having a schizophrenic as a house guest over a manic-depressive.It was posted in jest.Right Immediately after,many tipsters called for my ouster from Tips,because they thought that I was being insensitive. I find it of note that no one is c

[tips] Promoting the major at VSU one brochure at a time...

2013-01-17 Thread Deborah S. Briihl
I have been put in charge of creating a promotional material pamphlet/brochure for the undergraduate psych program here at VSU (the single sheet, trifold type). Now before anyone asks silly questions such as "Isn't this on your webpage?" and "Why should you create promotional materials when yo

Re: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Palij
Dear Beth, *Mea Culpa mode on* I want to say to Beth and anyone else that I may have offended with my post on "Taking S#!t" from others, I am sincerely sorry that I have offended you and will endeavor in the future to more tightly monitor my behavior/writing and edit out anything that anyone coul

RE: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
I'm bothered by this thread but not for the reasons expressed by Beth or Mike but by the fact that TIPS appears to have no stomach (yes, I said that on purpose) for discussing issues related to psychology and science. I was not offended by Mike's post (I thought the yellow soup/chocolate milk l

Re: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Carol DeVolder
This actually came at a good time. I am introducing my Brain and Behavior students to the concept of critical thinking. I was able to mention this article because, although it sounds repulsive, as Beth notes, many people are desperate for a cure--especially c. diff sufferers (a number that will lik

[tips] Coprophagia

2013-01-17 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
In a similar vein, and decades ago, coprophagia (especially in pups) was explained in terms of the benefits associated with inoculation of the GI tract with beneficial bacteria. Karl W. -Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 8

RE: Re:[tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
My understanding of the intent of the analysis was to find items which were most affected, not a test for an omnibus effect across items. > - Original Message - > > From: "Annette Taylor" > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences > (TIPS)" > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:2

RE: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Palij
I just want to make a simple point: If one had read the NY Times article, then my comment about yellow soup and chocolate milk might have seen less "over the top" because: (1) Quoting the NYT article: |Fecal therapy has often been used to cure gut trouble in cows |and horses. Books on traditio

Re: Re:[tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread Claudia Stanny
I think step 1 would still be an answer to the question "Was the change large enough to be considered "real" or statistically reliable." Step 2 would be to ask which of the statistically reliable changes were largest . . . perhaps an estimate of effect size and rank ordering of the questions. Out

Re: [tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread John Kulig
That was my understanding too ... though while washing dishes last night I warmed up to Jim's (was it Jim Clark?? Sorry if I forgot!) suggestion (imperfect memory here) of treating item as a random factor, get a CI, and then noting which improvements lies outside the CI. Also, a very simple thin

Re: [tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread John Kulig
Claudia Ah, TIPSTER minds think alike! I just sent off the possibility of the Phi coefficient effect size which can easily be done from the 25 chi squares of the McNemar test. phi = square root (chi-square/N). But there are lots of other effect sizes that can follow the t or F tests. I believe

Re: [tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread John Kulig
There are also ways to compare whether two r effect sizes are significantly different, and can be found in summaries of meta-analysis techniques ... as this is often done when comparing the effect sizes of two studies. But my preference is to do something simple and descriptive at first (like r

RE: [tips] Would You Take S#!t From Anybody?

2013-01-17 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
Mike, I don't believe that "one" must justify what they believe is over the top or not. I didn't demand that you not make the statement or that you apologize for making it, simply that I thought it was, as I put it "over the top." However (I wouldn't be replying at all if there were not a how

Re:[tips] my crummy knowledge of stats

2013-01-17 Thread Mike Wiliams
There is no bending of the assumptions because incorrect/correct is not categorical. Not all dichotomies are nominal and categorical. For example, if I dichotomized income into below 50K (0) and greater than 50K (1), it doesn't make income nominal. This operation removes information from the