Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-07-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 02/07/2019 03:38, Martin Thomson wrote: > Keep in mind that you are going to be racing anyway, unless you are > lucky enough to have a protocol that leaves enough space in the MTU > for all your extra stuff. I guess split-mode MTU issues provide another argument against including padded_

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-07-01 Thread Martin Thomson
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, at 01:12, Ben Schwartz wrote: > To be clear, are you suggesting TLS-in-TLS, similar to Stephen's > suggestion? Or are you suggesting a parallel connection to deliver the > metadata? I'm thinking that a parallel connection for metadata is going to be more efficient in the ge

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-07-01 Thread Ben Schwartz
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:36 PM Martin Thomson wrote: > You might like to coordinate with Martin Duke, who is doing similar (but > different) things with QUIC: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duke-quic-load-balancers-04 Thanks for this reference. I was not aware of it. Personally, I fi

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-06-30 Thread Martin Thomson
You might like to coordinate with Martin Duke, who is doing similar (but different) things with QUIC: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duke-quic-load-balancers-04 Personally, I find this sort of thing difficult to reason about. I would rather have a separate TLS connection with each backend t

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-06-28 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 28/06/2019 19:47, Ben Schwartz wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Farrell > wrote: > >> >> Hi Ben, >> >> Thanks for posting that - good to see a start on plugging >> that gap. >> >> On 28/06/2019 17:52, Ben Schwartz wrote: >>> Hi TLS, >>> >>> This is a proposal for a very

Re: [TLS] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schwartz-tls-lb-00.txt

2019-06-28 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Ben, Thanks for posting that - good to see a start on plugging that gap. On 28/06/2019 17:52, Ben Schwartz wrote: > Hi TLS, > > This is a proposal for a very simple new protocol whose main purpose is to > enable ESNI "split mode". Ultimately, I hope that this protocol can also > enable more